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B777 crew needed relief because they were unable to make an ATC crossing restr in any class a airspace.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 497490 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200101 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : lrp.vortac |
| State Reference | PA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 28000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B777-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 2139 |
| ASRS Report | 497490 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | flight crew : first officer instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Last leg of IOE. First officer (PF) approximately 40 mi north of lrp received clearance to cross 20 mi north of lrp at FL280. First officer tried to enter clearance in FMC but had difficulties. I assumed PF duties but was unable to meet crossing even with full speed brake. ZNY gave relief with new crossing restr lrp at 16000 ft and 250 KTS. Made lrp restr. Asked center if there was problem with no making initial crossing restr. Reply was negative. Lesson learned: even during IOE, practice what we preach. PF shouldn't type.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B777 CREW NEEDED RELIEF BECAUSE THEY WERE UNABLE TO MAKE AN ATC XING RESTR IN ANY CLASS A AIRSPACE.
Narrative: LAST LEG OF IOE. FO (PF) APPROX 40 MI N OF LRP RECEIVED CLRNC TO CROSS 20 MI N OF LRP AT FL280. FO TRIED TO ENTER CLRNC IN FMC BUT HAD DIFFICULTIES. I ASSUMED PF DUTIES BUT WAS UNABLE TO MEET XING EVEN WITH FULL SPD BRAKE. ZNY GAVE RELIEF WITH NEW XING RESTR LRP AT 16000 FT AND 250 KTS. MADE LRP RESTR. ASKED CTR IF THERE WAS PROB WITH NO MAKING INITIAL XING RESTR. REPLY WAS NEGATIVE. LESSON LEARNED: EVEN DURING IOE, PRACTICE WHAT WE PREACH. PF SHOULDN'T TYPE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.