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Attributes | |
ACN | 499150 |
Time | |
Date | 200101 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 600 msl bound upper : 700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower tower : ggg.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer only : 22 other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower |
Make Model Name | Helicopter |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | controller military : 20 controller non radar : 20 controller radar : 20 controller supervisory : 20 flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 280 |
ASRS Report | 499150 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1500 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
On approach at lga (lga lda 22A), helicopter traffic observed on approach. TCASII TA displayed tower never called traffic. Helicopter transited approach corridor at 700 ft AGL, 2.4 NM from runway 22 centerline. Traffic came within 1/4 NM and 0 ft altitude of airliner. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter advised that the traffic was opposite direction and tracking just outside the lda 22 localizer. A report was effected to company. The reporter's return response from company was that tower stated that the helicopter had the B738 in sight. The reporter stated that this information was not provided to him. The reporter advised that this was not a common occurrence. The reporter's larger concern is when landing runway 31. Tower is issuing taxi instructions when in the middle of landing roll. With all that ongoing in the cockpit, they have to frequently ask again for clarification. The reporter advised the tower is always clearing another aircraft for takeoff before he is either answered, or is cleared to ground without confirmation. Reporter has 20 yrs military pilot experience in combination with aircraft carrier supervisor controller time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B738 ENCOUNTERS HELI AT 600 FT ON FINAL TO LGA WITH A TFC ALERT BY TWR.
Narrative: ON APCH AT LGA (LGA LDA 22A), HELI TFC OBSERVED ON APCH. TCASII TA DISPLAYED TWR NEVER CALLED TFC. HELI TRANSITED APCH CORRIDOR AT 700 FT AGL, 2.4 NM FROM RWY 22 CTRLINE. TFC CAME WITHIN 1/4 NM AND 0 FT ALT OF AIRLINER. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR ADVISED THAT THE TFC WAS OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND TRACKING JUST OUTSIDE THE LDA 22 LOC. A RPT WAS EFFECTED TO COMPANY. THE RPTR'S RETURN RESPONSE FROM COMPANY WAS THAT TWR STATED THAT THE HELI HAD THE B738 IN SIGHT. THE RPTR STATED THAT THIS INFO WAS NOT PROVIDED TO HIM. THE RPTR ADVISED THAT THIS WAS NOT A COMMON OCCURRENCE. THE RPTR'S LARGER CONCERN IS WHEN LNDG RWY 31. TWR IS ISSUING TAXI INSTRUCTIONS WHEN IN THE MIDDLE OF LNDG ROLL. WITH ALL THAT ONGOING IN THE COCKPIT, THEY HAVE TO FREQUENTLY ASK AGAIN FOR CLARIFICATION. THE RPTR ADVISED THE TWR IS ALWAYS CLRING ANOTHER ACFT FOR TKOF BEFORE HE IS EITHER ANSWERED, OR IS CLRED TO GND WITHOUT CONFIRMATION. RPTR HAS 20 YRS MIL PLT EXPERIENCE IN COMBINATION WITH ACFT CARRIER SUPVR CTLR TIME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.