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Attributes | |
ACN | 503988 |
Time | |
Date | 200103 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : gnv.airport |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl single value : 1700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : gnv.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Cessna 150 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : vfr |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : gnv.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | HS 125 Series 700 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : vfr |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 19000 flight time type : 30 |
ASRS Report | 503988 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | other Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Aircraft ATC Human Performance ATC Facility Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I departed gnv with a student in my C150. We requested a straight out departure nebound. On climb out through 1000 ft, I heard a hawker 'xy' call in 10 mi east for landing. Gnv tower requested that they report 3 mi on final for runway 28. Through 1700 ft we saw an HS125-700 descending towards us at 12 O'clock position. He was 500 ft or less above us at 1/4 mi range. I told the student to stop her climb and alter course to the right. At this time, gnv tower advised the jet that he thought we may be a conflict, estimated our altitude to be 1500 ft just to the right of his position. I asked the hawker if he had us on TCASII. He said he was climbing in an escape maneuver (RA). He was very rude in his radio communications. We advised him that we were exactly where we should have been, as we were approved for a straight out departure. He was not slowed down in the terminal area, no flaps or gear out. I saw on my GPS that we were 3-5 DME from gnv. This 'hot dogging' and arrogant attitude is dangerous. Had he been where he was told to be, no conflict would have happened. Additionally, had their crew been vigilant monitoring their TCASII and visual cues, they would not have been so 'surprised' as to our presence. We had mode C operating and a landing light on. I saw no forward lighting on their aircraft as it passed 200 ft over ours. The pilot of the hawker continued a very unprofessional verbal sparring match all the way to the ground. Gnv has air carrier traffic, cpr traffic, flight training, and no radar.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DEPARTING VFR C150 HAS AN NMAC WITH AN ARRIVING VFR HS125 4 MI NE OF GNV, FL.
Narrative: I DEPARTED GNV WITH A STUDENT IN MY C150. WE REQUESTED A STRAIGHT OUT DEP NEBOUND. ON CLBOUT THROUGH 1000 FT, I HEARD A HAWKER 'XY' CALL IN 10 MI E FOR LNDG. GNV TWR REQUESTED THAT THEY RPT 3 MI ON FINAL FOR RWY 28. THROUGH 1700 FT WE SAW AN HS125-700 DSNDING TOWARDS US AT 12 O'CLOCK POS. HE WAS 500 FT OR LESS ABOVE US AT 1/4 MI RANGE. I TOLD THE STUDENT TO STOP HER CLB AND ALTER COURSE TO THE R. AT THIS TIME, GNV TWR ADVISED THE JET THAT HE THOUGHT WE MAY BE A CONFLICT, ESTIMATED OUR ALT TO BE 1500 FT JUST TO THE R OF HIS POS. I ASKED THE HAWKER IF HE HAD US ON TCASII. HE SAID HE WAS CLBING IN AN ESCAPE MANEUVER (RA). HE WAS VERY RUDE IN HIS RADIO COMS. WE ADVISED HIM THAT WE WERE EXACTLY WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN, AS WE WERE APPROVED FOR A STRAIGHT OUT DEP. HE WAS NOT SLOWED DOWN IN THE TERMINAL AREA, NO FLAPS OR GEAR OUT. I SAW ON MY GPS THAT WE WERE 3-5 DME FROM GNV. THIS 'HOT DOGGING' AND ARROGANT ATTITUDE IS DANGEROUS. HAD HE BEEN WHERE HE WAS TOLD TO BE, NO CONFLICT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. ADDITIONALLY, HAD THEIR CREW BEEN VIGILANT MONITORING THEIR TCASII AND VISUAL CUES, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SO 'SURPRISED' AS TO OUR PRESENCE. WE HAD MODE C OPERATING AND A LNDG LIGHT ON. I SAW NO FORWARD LIGHTING ON THEIR ACFT AS IT PASSED 200 FT OVER OURS. THE PLT OF THE HAWKER CONTINUED A VERY UNPROFESSIONAL VERBAL SPARRING MATCH ALL THE WAY TO THE GND. GNV HAS ACR TFC, CPR TFC, FLT TRAINING, AND NO RADAR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.