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Attributes | |
ACN | 504235 |
Time | |
Date | 200103 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msp.airport |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Ice Snow Fog |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : m98.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 12r other |
Flight Phase | landing : missed approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : m98.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 30 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 504235 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 177 flight time total : 8067 flight time type : 783 |
ASRS Report | 504233 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical inflight encounter other non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action none taken : detected after the fact other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 200 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather ATC Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
On missed approach from msp runway 12R approach, tower gave runway heading, climb 3000 ft. The controller then gave us a right turn and climb to 5000 ft. He canceled a frequency change then gave us a departure/approach control frequency. Passing about 4000 ft we got a TCASII 'monitor vertical speed' followed by 'climb,' and several more 'monitor vertical speed.' approach control issued a stop climb at 4000 ft, but we were already passing 4300 ft and his instruction would have been in conflict with TCASII. I rolled the aircraft right and reduced the climb rate until TCASII announced clear of conflict. We leveled off and approach control brought us around for a successful landing on runway 12R. Though this whole encounter lasted probably less than 1 min, I estimate our aircraft came within 300-500 ft of each other. Other than the TCASII RA, we never saw the other aircraft visually. Supplemental information from acn 504241: after departure from runway 12L (initial clearance 120 degree heading climb 7000 ft) departure controller (msp departure) gave clearance to 'turn right heading 240 degrees, climb to 17000 ft, expedite through 7000 ft.' turning through about 200 degrees and climbing through 4000 ft, got a TCASII RA to descend. Complied with advisory and saw another aircraft go by at 11 O'clock position about 500 ft above. We leveled at 4000 ft. Clear of conflict. Bad WX at msp may have contributed to controller error. Comments: descending RA's during climbs are difficult to comply with. A 20 degree pitch change was required. Also, TCASII should be required equipment. It saved the day.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A320 AND DC9-30 HAD AN NMAC IN M98 CLASS B AIRSPACE. ONE ACFT ON A MISSED APCH AND THE OTHER ON TKOF CLBOUT.
Narrative: ON MISSED APCH FROM MSP RWY 12R APCH, TWR GAVE RWY HDG, CLB 3000 FT. THE CTLR THEN GAVE US A R TURN AND CLB TO 5000 FT. HE CANCELED A FREQ CHANGE THEN GAVE US A DEP/APCH CTL FREQ. PASSING ABOUT 4000 FT WE GOT A TCASII 'MONITOR VERT SPD' FOLLOWED BY 'CLB,' AND SEVERAL MORE 'MONITOR VERT SPD.' APCH CTL ISSUED A STOP CLB AT 4000 FT, BUT WE WERE ALREADY PASSING 4300 FT AND HIS INSTRUCTION WOULD HAVE BEEN IN CONFLICT WITH TCASII. I ROLLED THE ACFT R AND REDUCED THE CLB RATE UNTIL TCASII ANNOUNCED CLR OF CONFLICT. WE LEVELED OFF AND APCH CTL BROUGHT US AROUND FOR A SUCCESSFUL LNDG ON RWY 12R. THOUGH THIS WHOLE ENCOUNTER LASTED PROBABLY LESS THAN 1 MIN, I ESTIMATE OUR ACFT CAME WITHIN 300-500 FT OF EACH OTHER. OTHER THAN THE TCASII RA, WE NEVER SAW THE OTHER ACFT VISUALLY. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 504241: AFTER DEP FROM RWY 12L (INITIAL CLRNC 120 DEG HDG CLB 7000 FT) DEP CTLR (MSP DEP) GAVE CLRNC TO 'TURN R HDG 240 DEGS, CLB TO 17000 FT, EXPEDITE THROUGH 7000 FT.' TURNING THROUGH ABOUT 200 DEGS AND CLBING THROUGH 4000 FT, GOT A TCASII RA TO DSND. COMPLIED WITH ADVISORY AND SAW ANOTHER ACFT GO BY AT 11 O'CLOCK POS ABOUT 500 FT ABOVE. WE LEVELED AT 4000 FT. CLR OF CONFLICT. BAD WX AT MSP MAY HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO CTLR ERROR. COMMENTS: DSNDING RA'S DURING CLBS ARE DIFFICULT TO COMPLY WITH. A 20 DEG PITCH CHANGE WAS REQUIRED. ALSO, TCASII SHOULD BE REQUIRED EQUIP. IT SAVED THE DAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.