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Attributes | |
ACN | 505403 |
Time | |
Date | 200103 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : rsw.tracon |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Weather Elements | other |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : rsw.tracon |
Make Model Name | MD-83 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 24 |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : rsw.tracon |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 9500 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 505403 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 7700 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 505001 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne critical inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : investigated faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 24000 vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance Weather |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
On vectors from rsw, we were on a vector of 160 degrees level at 5000 ft. Approach was vectoring traffic on runway 24 and only 1 controller was present and forgot about us. We had been given traffic at 1 O'clock position at 4500 ft, however, there was a scattered layer and that is when we showed traffic at 12 O'clock position and was climbing to our altitude of 5000 ft. We were unable to notify ATC because of his workload. The first officer noticed that the other VFR traffic was getting closer at our altitude and then the TA was announced followed by an RA. I climbed up to 6000 ft and out of 5700 ft we were given a clear of traffic by TCASII. At 6000 ft we were able to find a break in the frequency and notified ATC that we had an RA. ATC was surprised because the traffic was at VFR altitude. We then descended to 5000 ft and were given vectors to the airport. I later called the approach facility and talked with supervisor. They did pull the tapes and found that the controller forgot about us and I did mention that we never did see the traffic because of the scattered clouds. Even though the traffic was supposed to be at a VFR altitude and clear of clouds, it didn't bring any surprise to the controller's attention. He said that is not uncommon. The controller was very polite and invited us to their facility when we got a chance. The call was appreciated. Supplemental information from acn 505001: the contributing factors were that rsw was running 2 arrival corridors and was preoccupied with the east side corridor, and failed to notice the conflict. Also, the VFR traffic was not talking to anyone while maintaining an IFR altitude. The TCASII was our only warning to this conflict due to the hazy conditions and a scattered layer between 4000-6000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD83 FLC INITIATE TCASII MANEUVER DUE TO UNIDENTED TFC WHILE ON RSW VECTOR.
Narrative: ON VECTORS FROM RSW, WE WERE ON A VECTOR OF 160 DEGS LEVEL AT 5000 FT. APCH WAS VECTORING TFC ON RWY 24 AND ONLY 1 CTLR WAS PRESENT AND FORGOT ABOUT US. WE HAD BEEN GIVEN TFC AT 1 O'CLOCK POS AT 4500 FT, HOWEVER, THERE WAS A SCATTERED LAYER AND THAT IS WHEN WE SHOWED TFC AT 12 O'CLOCK POS AND WAS CLBING TO OUR ALT OF 5000 FT. WE WERE UNABLE TO NOTIFY ATC BECAUSE OF HIS WORKLOAD. THE FO NOTICED THAT THE OTHER VFR TFC WAS GETTING CLOSER AT OUR ALT AND THEN THE TA WAS ANNOUNCED FOLLOWED BY AN RA. I CLBED UP TO 6000 FT AND OUT OF 5700 FT WE WERE GIVEN A CLR OF TFC BY TCASII. AT 6000 FT WE WERE ABLE TO FIND A BREAK IN THE FREQ AND NOTIFIED ATC THAT WE HAD AN RA. ATC WAS SURPRISED BECAUSE THE TFC WAS AT VFR ALT. WE THEN DSNDED TO 5000 FT AND WERE GIVEN VECTORS TO THE ARPT. I LATER CALLED THE APCH FACILITY AND TALKED WITH SUPVR. THEY DID PULL THE TAPES AND FOUND THAT THE CTLR FORGOT ABOUT US AND I DID MENTION THAT WE NEVER DID SEE THE TFC BECAUSE OF THE SCATTERED CLOUDS. EVEN THOUGH THE TFC WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AT A VFR ALT AND CLR OF CLOUDS, IT DIDN'T BRING ANY SURPRISE TO THE CTLR'S ATTN. HE SAID THAT IS NOT UNCOMMON. THE CTLR WAS VERY POLITE AND INVITED US TO THEIR FACILITY WHEN WE GOT A CHANCE. THE CALL WAS APPRECIATED. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 505001: THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS WERE THAT RSW WAS RUNNING 2 ARR CORRIDORS AND WAS PREOCCUPIED WITH THE E SIDE CORRIDOR, AND FAILED TO NOTICE THE CONFLICT. ALSO, THE VFR TFC WAS NOT TALKING TO ANYONE WHILE MAINTAINING AN IFR ALT. THE TCASII WAS OUR ONLY WARNING TO THIS CONFLICT DUE TO THE HAZY CONDITIONS AND A SCATTERED LAYER BTWN 4000-6000 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.