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Attributes | |
ACN | 507871 |
Time | |
Date | 200104 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : vxv.vortac |
State Reference | TN |
Altitude | msl single value : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : ztl.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-34-200 Seneca I |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute airway : v267.airway |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : ztl.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Do 328 TP (Turboprop) |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Experience | flight time total : 10 |
ASRS Report | 507871 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : far other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Navigational Facility |
Primary Problem | Navigational Facility |
Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | radar equipment : ztl.artcc |
Narrative:
Aircraft X was en route from ptk to lzu over vxv (due sbound). He was level at 11000 ft. He asked if I had any traffic in the area. I replied negative, just the D328 (aircraft Y) that had climbed through him visually about 2 mins previously. Aircraft X replied he had just passed an aircraft, opposite direction, at 11000 ft. No IFR traffic. No target. I informed another aircraft (aircraft west) inbound to tys from the north of possible traffic (aircraft Z) at 11000 ft. He asked for lower. The primary radar coverage for this location is qri (lynch) (30 mi northwest tri cities). Vxv is about 60-80 mi away. The secondary coverage is qrv (crossville). Qrv is secondary only, no search (primary radar) radar. About 5 mins later, I observed a primary target northbound merging with the tys inbound. Evidently, we don't have primary radar coverage over vxv at 11000 ft. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter was advised that lynch (qri) radar site had primary radar capability, but maintenance knew about primary radar problems, and since there was overlapping radar coverage from crossville (qrv), sufficient overlapping secondary radar coverage provided a necessary level of safety. The reporter was advised that the FAA was in a major, national, ARTCC long range radar site replacement program. One of the new system replacements was conversion of radar sites to mode south. The reporter advised that the controller's union had gone on record with the NTSB not to delete existing, primary radar sites. FAA is reported not to concur with this opinion. Controller was concerned that the facility was not sending NOTAMS informing the flying public of these changes and primary radar outages. Reporter was in further communication with his facility management on the issue.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZTL CTLR WARNED BY ENRTE ACFT OF NON TRACKED, CONFLICTING ACFT NOT RADAR TAGGED OR TRACKED.
Narrative: ACFT X WAS ENRTE FROM PTK TO LZU OVER VXV (DUE SBOUND). HE WAS LEVEL AT 11000 FT. HE ASKED IF I HAD ANY TFC IN THE AREA. I REPLIED NEGATIVE, JUST THE D328 (ACFT Y) THAT HAD CLBED THROUGH HIM VISUALLY ABOUT 2 MINS PREVIOUSLY. ACFT X REPLIED HE HAD JUST PASSED AN ACFT, OPPOSITE DIRECTION, AT 11000 FT. NO IFR TFC. NO TARGET. I INFORMED ANOTHER ACFT (ACFT W) INBOUND TO TYS FROM THE N OF POSSIBLE TFC (ACFT Z) AT 11000 FT. HE ASKED FOR LOWER. THE PRIMARY RADAR COVERAGE FOR THIS LOCATION IS QRI (LYNCH) (30 MI NW TRI CITIES). VXV IS ABOUT 60-80 MI AWAY. THE SECONDARY COVERAGE IS QRV (CROSSVILLE). QRV IS SECONDARY ONLY, NO SEARCH (PRIMARY RADAR) RADAR. ABOUT 5 MINS LATER, I OBSERVED A PRIMARY TARGET NBOUND MERGING WITH THE TYS INBOUND. EVIDENTLY, WE DON'T HAVE PRIMARY RADAR COVERAGE OVER VXV AT 11000 FT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR WAS ADVISED THAT LYNCH (QRI) RADAR SITE HAD PRIMARY RADAR CAPABILITY, BUT MAINT KNEW ABOUT PRIMARY RADAR PROBS, AND SINCE THERE WAS OVERLAPPING RADAR COVERAGE FROM CROSSVILLE (QRV), SUFFICIENT OVERLAPPING SECONDARY RADAR COVERAGE PROVIDED A NECESSARY LEVEL OF SAFETY. THE RPTR WAS ADVISED THAT THE FAA WAS IN A MAJOR, NATIONAL, ARTCC LONG RANGE RADAR SITE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. ONE OF THE NEW SYS REPLACEMENTS WAS CONVERSION OF RADAR SITES TO MODE S. THE RPTR ADVISED THAT THE CTLR'S UNION HAD GONE ON RECORD WITH THE NTSB NOT TO DELETE EXISTING, PRIMARY RADAR SITES. FAA IS RPTED NOT TO CONCUR WITH THIS OPINION. CTLR WAS CONCERNED THAT THE FACILITY WAS NOT SENDING NOTAMS INFORMING THE FLYING PUBLIC OF THESE CHANGES AND PRIMARY RADAR OUTAGES. RPTR WAS IN FURTHER COM WITH HIS FACILITY MGMNT ON THE ISSUE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.