S80 captain is required to continually prompt first officer to ensure compliance of crossing restr, ...

Narrative:

We were assigned 310 KTS on the glen rose arrival. We were to be at hirst at 11000 ft. At the last min, the controller told us to comply with the speeds on the STAR. I replied that we would need relief at fever, because we were right on top of it. This was granted. The first officer was flying. I did not convey properly my concern that he make the restr of hirst at 11000 ft and 250 KTS. His technique was going to achieve neither. I repeated that he needed to get down, but he was still not being aggressive enough. I again called ATC and asked for relief at hirst. He replied 'roger, maintain 11000 ft.' as I was referring to speed as before at fever, I took it that we were to still cross hirst at 11000 ft, but we could do it at the 270-280 KTS we still had. The first officer still did not respond as I thought he should. The third time I admonished him, he did acknowledge me, but did not change the aircraft's attitude, power or drag. I finally insisted that he duck under and get to 11000 ft now, which he did. We crossed hirst at 11600 ft-11700 ft. There was no comment from the controller. After a sloppy approach which, while not unsafe or out of our parameters for a stabilized approach, was not aggressive enough at all, but high and fast. We landed at dfw, runway 17C. The approach was uncomfortably abrupt from a technique point of view, but I did not feel the need to take control, but rather informed him of the parameters he was not making during the approach so he would correct them. I talked with him before our last flight home. He indicated that he thought the restr at hirst was not applicable after the controller's last transmission to just maintain 11000 ft. I can see how this interpretation could be correct. I did not address the approach, so as not to be viewed as attacking him personally, as I did not want to exacerbate any personality clashes that may be developing.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: S80 CAPT IS REQUIRED TO CONTINUALLY PROMPT FO TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE OF XING RESTR, HAVING TO COORD TWICE WITH ZFW FOR RESTR RELIEF.

Narrative: WE WERE ASSIGNED 310 KTS ON THE GLEN ROSE ARR. WE WERE TO BE AT HIRST AT 11000 FT. AT THE LAST MIN, THE CTLR TOLD US TO COMPLY WITH THE SPDS ON THE STAR. I REPLIED THAT WE WOULD NEED RELIEF AT FEVER, BECAUSE WE WERE RIGHT ON TOP OF IT. THIS WAS GRANTED. THE FO WAS FLYING. I DID NOT CONVEY PROPERLY MY CONCERN THAT HE MAKE THE RESTR OF HIRST AT 11000 FT AND 250 KTS. HIS TECHNIQUE WAS GOING TO ACHIEVE NEITHER. I REPEATED THAT HE NEEDED TO GET DOWN, BUT HE WAS STILL NOT BEING AGGRESSIVE ENOUGH. I AGAIN CALLED ATC AND ASKED FOR RELIEF AT HIRST. HE REPLIED 'ROGER, MAINTAIN 11000 FT.' AS I WAS REFERRING TO SPD AS BEFORE AT FEVER, I TOOK IT THAT WE WERE TO STILL CROSS HIRST AT 11000 FT, BUT WE COULD DO IT AT THE 270-280 KTS WE STILL HAD. THE FO STILL DID NOT RESPOND AS I THOUGHT HE SHOULD. THE THIRD TIME I ADMONISHED HIM, HE DID ACKNOWLEDGE ME, BUT DID NOT CHANGE THE ACFT'S ATTITUDE, PWR OR DRAG. I FINALLY INSISTED THAT HE DUCK UNDER AND GET TO 11000 FT NOW, WHICH HE DID. WE CROSSED HIRST AT 11600 FT-11700 FT. THERE WAS NO COMMENT FROM THE CTLR. AFTER A SLOPPY APCH WHICH, WHILE NOT UNSAFE OR OUT OF OUR PARAMETERS FOR A STABILIZED APCH, WAS NOT AGGRESSIVE ENOUGH AT ALL, BUT HIGH AND FAST. WE LANDED AT DFW, RWY 17C. THE APCH WAS UNCOMFORTABLY ABRUPT FROM A TECHNIQUE POINT OF VIEW, BUT I DID NOT FEEL THE NEED TO TAKE CTL, BUT RATHER INFORMED HIM OF THE PARAMETERS HE WAS NOT MAKING DURING THE APCH SO HE WOULD CORRECT THEM. I TALKED WITH HIM BEFORE OUR LAST FLT HOME. HE INDICATED THAT HE THOUGHT THE RESTR AT HIRST WAS NOT APPLICABLE AFTER THE CTLR'S LAST XMISSION TO JUST MAINTAIN 11000 FT. I CAN SEE HOW THIS INTERP COULD BE CORRECT. I DID NOT ADDRESS THE APCH, SO AS NOT TO BE VIEWED AS ATTACKING HIM PERSONALLY, AS I DID NOT WANT TO EXACERBATE ANY PERSONALITY CLASHES THAT MAY BE DEVELOPING.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Attributes
ACN	508190
Time
Date	200104
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : d10.tracon
State Reference	TX
Altitude	msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11700
Environment
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : dfw.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-80 Super 80
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	508190
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to assigned altitude
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

S80 captain is required to continually prompt first officer to ensure compliance of crossing restr, having to coordination twice with ZFW for restr relief.