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B737 flight crew recognize that lax LAXX3 company FMS database is incomplete and requests confirmation after airborne.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 514447 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200106 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 15000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure sid : laxx 3 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 235 flight time total : 13500 flight time type : 450 |
| ASRS Report | 514447 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : fms data base other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : became reoriented flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication Company Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Situations | |
| Chart | sid : 1080 |
Narrative:
My first officer and I were confused about the LAXX3 departure off runway 25L at lax. Our company had incomplete data in our FMC regarding the dag transition which we were assigned, specifically the role sli VOR plays in it. In my opinion, the commercial plate is vague. Socal spoon fed it to us airborne and we remained within parameters, however, we were embarrassed and also impressed as to how easily we could have made a serious error.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 FLC RECOGNIZE THAT LAX LAXX3 COMPANY FMS DATABASE IS INCOMPLETE AND REQUESTS CONFIRMATION AFTER AIRBORNE.
Narrative: MY FO AND I WERE CONFUSED ABOUT THE LAXX3 DEP OFF RWY 25L AT LAX. OUR COMPANY HAD INCOMPLETE DATA IN OUR FMC REGARDING THE DAG TRANSITION WHICH WE WERE ASSIGNED, SPECIFICALLY THE ROLE SLI VOR PLAYS IN IT. IN MY OPINION, THE COMMERCIAL PLATE IS VAGUE. SOCAL SPOON FED IT TO US AIRBORNE AND WE REMAINED WITHIN PARAMETERS, HOWEVER, WE WERE EMBARRASSED AND ALSO IMPRESSED AS TO HOW EASILY WE COULD HAVE MADE A SERIOUS ERROR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.