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B757 flight crew penetrated the edge of P56 prohibited airspace caused by the holding direction instructed by approach controller.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 515220 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200106 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | intersection : minie |
| State Reference | VA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : dca.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : holding |
| Route In Use | arrival star : rossylin lda19 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 9300 flight time type : 800 |
| ASRS Report | 515220 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited penetrated airspace |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were cleared to intercept the localizer for the rosslyn lda 19 at dca. Due to departure demand, ATC decided to hold arrs. We were given a last min hold at minie intersection (FAF). We quickly set up the hold, made sure we were below 200 KTS (operating at 5000 ft) and performed 2 xchks of the FMC position due to the proximity of the P56 area. Before we reached the fix, ATC queried 'how much farther to the fix?' we said '4/10.' after the wings were rolling, ATC anxiously asked if we had started the turn. We said yes, and then, 'are you turning standard rate?' 'yes.' after that first turn our holding fix was changed. ATC should not hold you towards P56. We should have right turns. We have no way to electronically fix P56, and we could not see it. The whole idea to hold here was probably a mistake, and maybe there is a reason there is no published hold here.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 FLC PENETRATED THE EDGE OF P56 PROHIBITED AIRSPACE CAUSED BY THE HOLDING DIRECTION INSTRUCTED BY APCH CTLR.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED TO INTERCEPT THE LOC FOR THE ROSSLYN LDA 19 AT DCA. DUE TO DEP DEMAND, ATC DECIDED TO HOLD ARRS. WE WERE GIVEN A LAST MIN HOLD AT MINIE INTXN (FAF). WE QUICKLY SET UP THE HOLD, MADE SURE WE WERE BELOW 200 KTS (OPERATING AT 5000 FT) AND PERFORMED 2 XCHKS OF THE FMC POS DUE TO THE PROX OF THE P56 AREA. BEFORE WE REACHED THE FIX, ATC QUERIED 'HOW MUCH FARTHER TO THE FIX?' WE SAID '4/10.' AFTER THE WINGS WERE ROLLING, ATC ANXIOUSLY ASKED IF WE HAD STARTED THE TURN. WE SAID YES, AND THEN, 'ARE YOU TURNING STANDARD RATE?' 'YES.' AFTER THAT FIRST TURN OUR HOLDING FIX WAS CHANGED. ATC SHOULD NOT HOLD YOU TOWARDS P56. WE SHOULD HAVE R TURNS. WE HAVE NO WAY TO ELECTRONICALLY FIX P56, AND WE COULD NOT SEE IT. THE WHOLE IDEA TO HOLD HERE WAS PROBABLY A MISTAKE, AND MAYBE THERE IS A REASON THERE IS NO PUBLISHED HOLD HERE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.