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Attributes | |
ACN | 517604 |
Time | |
Date | 200107 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2700 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower artcc : zhu.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A319 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Route In Use | approach other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 23000 flight time type : 1600 |
ASRS Report | 517604 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : executed go around |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather Environmental Factor ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
ATIS for lga was advertising winds of about 320 degrees 12 KTS and we were on an RNAV approach for runway 22. When we got over to tower. He announced winds of about 350 degrees 14 KTS which was borderline limiting and totally stupid. I asked him again. And now it ws 340 degrees 13 KTS, but I'm thinking pretty strong quartering tailwind and a bad idea. We said no to the approach, but were still about 2000 ft. To get out of the approach mode and get go around logic, you have to advance the throttles to toga and quickly snap them back to 'cl' detent. While the first officer did this, we think the controller cleared us to 2000 ft in the middle of the throttle up. The missed approach altitude was 2700 ft, but we still had 3000 ft set in the window as that was our initial point of the approach. We, with that throttle burst, shut up to 2700 ft and eventually leveled at 3000 ft -- which I asked if that was ok. The tower fellow said yes, and there was no conflict that we know of. 5 mins later, they had the airport turned around, and we landed on runway 31. There was obvious confusion caused mostly by trying to get us to land with a serious tailwind.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A319 CREW REFUSED THE APCH TO RWY 22 AT LGA DUE TO A TAILWIND, A GAR ENSUED.
Narrative: ATIS FOR LGA WAS ADVERTISING WINDS OF ABOUT 320 DEGS 12 KTS AND WE WERE ON AN RNAV APCH FOR RWY 22. WHEN WE GOT OVER TO TWR. HE ANNOUNCED WINDS OF ABOUT 350 DEGS 14 KTS WHICH WAS BORDERLINE LIMITING AND TOTALLY STUPID. I ASKED HIM AGAIN. AND NOW IT WS 340 DEGS 13 KTS, BUT I'M THINKING PRETTY STRONG QUARTERING TAILWIND AND A BAD IDEA. WE SAID NO TO THE APCH, BUT WERE STILL ABOUT 2000 FT. TO GET OUT OF THE APCH MODE AND GET GAR LOGIC, YOU HAVE TO ADVANCE THE THROTTLES TO TOGA AND QUICKLY SNAP THEM BACK TO 'CL' DETENT. WHILE THE FO DID THIS, WE THINK THE CTLR CLRED US TO 2000 FT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE THROTTLE UP. THE MISSED APCH ALT WAS 2700 FT, BUT WE STILL HAD 3000 FT SET IN THE WINDOW AS THAT WAS OUR INITIAL POINT OF THE APCH. WE, WITH THAT THROTTLE BURST, SHUT UP TO 2700 FT AND EVENTUALLY LEVELED AT 3000 FT -- WHICH I ASKED IF THAT WAS OK. THE TWR FELLOW SAID YES, AND THERE WAS NO CONFLICT THAT WE KNOW OF. 5 MINS LATER, THEY HAD THE ARPT TURNED AROUND, AND WE LANDED ON RWY 31. THERE WAS OBVIOUS CONFUSION CAUSED MOSTLY BY TRYING TO GET US TO LAND WITH A SERIOUS TAILWIND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.