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Attributes | |
ACN | 517722 |
Time | |
Date | 200107 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi ground : parked |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 16700 flight time type : 1400 |
ASRS Report | 517722 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe ground encounters other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : dfw.tower |
Airport | construction : dfw.airport |
Narrative:
Taxiing in after landing on 18R, we noticed about 4 tall, huge construction cranes just east of runway 18L at dfw. There is a lot of construction going on at dfw airport. These tall cranes are not listed on ATIS. Unsafe situation! Asked ground control to check why these tall cranes are not listed he just laughed it off... Can Y'all help out and ask dfw tower to add it to ATIS, not just as a NOTAM somewhere. Would be safer! Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter's concern is with the ground control's offhand response to his question, inferring that the crew would be more worried about other things, such as an engine out condition being of greater concern. The captain stated the crane activity and their positioning is a concern for a pilot that might experience engine trouble when deping runway 35L or runway 36R. These cranes would also be a factor for runway 17R/18L arrs executing go around's due to traffic or mechanical problems. The captain believes that the ATIS is a perfect tool to heighten flight crew awareness to short term conditions on the airport. He alleged that 'bird activity' is on 'all year', but not these other important pilotage concerns.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: E120 CAPT CONCERNED WITH DFW RESPONSE TO ASKING WHY CRANE ACTIVITY INFO WAS NOT ON THE ATIS.
Narrative: TAXIING IN AFTER LNDG ON 18R, WE NOTICED ABOUT 4 TALL, HUGE CONSTRUCTION CRANES JUST E OF RWY 18L AT DFW. THERE IS A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON AT DFW ARPT. THESE TALL CRANES ARE NOT LISTED ON ATIS. UNSAFE SIT! ASKED GND CTL TO CHK WHY THESE TALL CRANES ARE NOT LISTED HE JUST LAUGHED IT OFF... CAN Y'ALL HELP OUT AND ASK DFW TWR TO ADD IT TO ATIS, NOT JUST AS A NOTAM SOMEWHERE. WOULD BE SAFER! CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR'S CONCERN IS WITH THE GC'S OFFHAND RESPONSE TO HIS QUESTION, INFERRING THAT THE CREW WOULD BE MORE WORRIED ABOUT OTHER THINGS, SUCH AS AN ENG OUT CONDITION BEING OF GREATER CONCERN. THE CAPT STATED THE CRANE ACTIVITY AND THEIR POSITIONING IS A CONCERN FOR A PLT THAT MIGHT EXPERIENCE ENG TROUBLE WHEN DEPING RWY 35L OR RWY 36R. THESE CRANES WOULD ALSO BE A FACTOR FOR RWY 17R/18L ARRS EXECUTING GO AROUND'S DUE TO TFC OR MECHANICAL PROBS. THE CAPT BELIEVES THAT THE ATIS IS A PERFECT TOOL TO HEIGHTEN FLT CREW AWARENESS TO SHORT TERM CONDITIONS ON THE ARPT. HE ALLEGED THAT 'BIRD ACTIVITY' IS ON 'ALL YEAR', BUT NOT THESE OTHER IMPORTANT PILOTAGE CONCERNS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.