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Attributes | |
ACN | 518069 |
Time | |
Date | 200107 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sav.airport |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | agl single value : 31000 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx.artcc tracon : m98.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A319 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx.artcc |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 518069 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry inflight encounter : weather |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : radar other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : declared emergency |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Weather |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Narrative:
While en route from clt to mia as air carrier X on jul/thu/01, we encountered some very large thunderstorms. We were cleared to deviate east of course to avoid these storms. Just about when we were around the eastern edge we were given a vector by ZJX that would take us right into the thunderstorms. We told the controller we could not take this turn as it would jeopardize the safety of our aircraft. The controller then said we were going to enter the warning area southeast of sav VOR and to squawk 7700. We complied with this request, stayed as close to the shore (and the thunderstorm) as possible, and were back on our route with a normal squawk in about 4 mins. The controller said he was sorry about giving us an east deviation around this WX and told us that he was taking responsibility for everything. During times of severe WX, a situation like this could be avoided if there was a means for the controller to take part of the warning areas into his control. As it was, we were committed fairly early on to going around the cell in question. We were not alone -- there was at least 1 other air carrier Y aircraft that did the same thing. He was in front of us. ZJX got easterly deviations stopped shortly after we went through. Paying close attention to radar and overlaying warning areas on this map, plus the controller being able to (with enough advance notice?) take a portion of a warning area under his jurisdiction would prevent this.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A319 CREW DECLARED AN EMER TO DETOUR TSTMS IN ZJX CLASS A AIRSPACE.
Narrative: WHILE ENRTE FROM CLT TO MIA AS ACR X ON JUL/THU/01, WE ENCOUNTERED SOME VERY LARGE TSTMS. WE WERE CLRED TO DEVIATE E OF COURSE TO AVOID THESE STORMS. JUST ABOUT WHEN WE WERE AROUND THE EASTERN EDGE WE WERE GIVEN A VECTOR BY ZJX THAT WOULD TAKE US RIGHT INTO THE TSTMS. WE TOLD THE CTLR WE COULD NOT TAKE THIS TURN AS IT WOULD JEOPARDIZE THE SAFETY OF OUR ACFT. THE CTLR THEN SAID WE WERE GOING TO ENTER THE WARNING AREA SE OF SAV VOR AND TO SQUAWK 7700. WE COMPLIED WITH THIS REQUEST, STAYED AS CLOSE TO THE SHORE (AND THE TSTM) AS POSSIBLE, AND WERE BACK ON OUR RTE WITH A NORMAL SQUAWK IN ABOUT 4 MINS. THE CTLR SAID HE WAS SORRY ABOUT GIVING US AN E DEV AROUND THIS WX AND TOLD US THAT HE WAS TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR EVERYTHING. DURING TIMES OF SEVERE WX, A SIT LIKE THIS COULD BE AVOIDED IF THERE WAS A MEANS FOR THE CTLR TO TAKE PART OF THE WARNING AREAS INTO HIS CTL. AS IT WAS, WE WERE COMMITTED FAIRLY EARLY ON TO GOING AROUND THE CELL IN QUESTION. WE WERE NOT ALONE -- THERE WAS AT LEAST 1 OTHER ACR Y ACFT THAT DID THE SAME THING. HE WAS IN FRONT OF US. ZJX GOT EASTERLY DEVS STOPPED SHORTLY AFTER WE WENT THROUGH. PAYING CLOSE ATTN TO RADAR AND OVERLAYING WARNING AREAS ON THIS MAP, PLUS THE CTLR BEING ABLE TO (WITH ENOUGH ADVANCE NOTICE?) TAKE A PORTION OF A WARNING AREA UNDER HIS JURISDICTION WOULD PREVENT THIS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.