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Attributes | |
ACN | 520271 |
Time | |
Date | 200108 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den.airport |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Learjet 35 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 8050 flight time type : 750 |
ASRS Report | 520271 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 521221 |
Events | |
Anomaly | excursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : 3 |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We flew from teb to aspen, dropped off the boss, then quick-turned in aspen and repositioned to denver. We checked NOTAMS at about XA00, but didn't write them down. Big mistake. The leg from aspen to denver was very busy and I missed the fact that the first 3000 ft of runway 35L were closed. This information was on the ATIS, after a bunch of irrelevant (to me) taxiway closures. We landed normally and saw the chevron for the displaced threshold on the rollout. I couldn't see the chevron from the air. The operations people met us upon shutdown and vigorously reminded us that the runway markings conformed to FAA standards, but I still say they were inadequate. Also, a friendly reminder from the tower about the displaced threshold would have been extremely helpful. We evidently landed about 1000 ft short of the displaced threshold. An airplane right behind us did approximately the same thing. A better solution would be to have several very visible chevrons more toward the beginning of the closed portion of the runway. I sure hope I don't get violated for something so easy to mistake as this. I'm only human!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LEAR JET 35 FLC LANDED PRIOR TO THE TEMPORARY RWY DISPLACED THRESHOLD.
Narrative: WE FLEW FROM TEB TO ASPEN, DROPPED OFF THE BOSS, THEN QUICK-TURNED IN ASPEN AND REPOSITIONED TO DENVER. WE CHKED NOTAMS AT ABOUT XA00, BUT DIDN'T WRITE THEM DOWN. BIG MISTAKE. THE LEG FROM ASPEN TO DENVER WAS VERY BUSY AND I MISSED THE FACT THAT THE FIRST 3000 FT OF RWY 35L WERE CLOSED. THIS INFO WAS ON THE ATIS, AFTER A BUNCH OF IRRELEVANT (TO ME) TXWY CLOSURES. WE LANDED NORMALLY AND SAW THE CHEVRON FOR THE DISPLACED THRESHOLD ON THE ROLLOUT. I COULDN'T SEE THE CHEVRON FROM THE AIR. THE OPS PEOPLE MET US UPON SHUTDOWN AND VIGOROUSLY REMINDED US THAT THE RWY MARKINGS CONFORMED TO FAA STANDARDS, BUT I STILL SAY THEY WERE INADEQUATE. ALSO, A FRIENDLY REMINDER FROM THE TWR ABOUT THE DISPLACED THRESHOLD WOULD HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL. WE EVIDENTLY LANDED ABOUT 1000 FT SHORT OF THE DISPLACED THRESHOLD. AN AIRPLANE RIGHT BEHIND US DID APPROX THE SAME THING. A BETTER SOLUTION WOULD BE TO HAVE SEVERAL VERY VISIBLE CHEVRONS MORE TOWARD THE BEGINNING OF THE CLOSED PORTION OF THE RWY. I SURE HOPE I DON'T GET VIOLATED FOR SOMETHING SO EASY TO MISTAKE AS THIS. I'M ONLY HUMAN!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.