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Attributes | |
ACN | 523273 |
Time | |
Date | 200108 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : stl.airport |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | msl single value : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : t75.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 30 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : t75.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Jetstream Series Commuter Aircraft |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 523273 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
DC9 established on final approach (visual) assigned 3500 ft MSL, 180 KIAS by ATC. Approach clearance not yet received. ATC reported a jetstream converging with us 1000 ft below on base leg for runway 30R, variously at 1 O'clock, 2 O'clock, and 3 O'clock position. ATC repeatedly asked if we had traffic in sight. Jetstream was intermittently observed during its turn onto final approach. Due to the difficulty of maintaining visual contact with the maneuvering jetstream against the backgnd of the city and our rapid overtake, I did not report the traffic in sight. The jetstream rolled out on final 1000 ft below us and less than 1 mi ahead as reported by ATC and verified by our TCASII. Based on the TCASII display, we were still overtaking the jetstream at our assigned speed. The controller (by now seemed fairly agitated) again asked if we had the 'traffic 12 O'clock position less than 1 mi' in sight. The jetstream was by now nearly directly below us. It was obvious that the controller wanted us to assume separation responsibility for an aircraft that was impossible to see and would soon be behind us, if we didn't hit it first. Rather than break out the jetstream that had been vectored in front and below us, the controller broke us out for another approach -- apparently as punishment for our lack of cooperation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: T75 BREAKS OFF DC9 WHEN NOT RPTING A JETSTREAM IN SIGHT ON THE PARALLEL RWY APCH.
Narrative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
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.