A check pilot report on the problem with one pilot check out on the raytheon premier 1 aircraft when the trainee exceeded the 250 KT rule at 8500 ft near vny, ca.

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Attributes
ACN	523668
Time
Date	200108
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : vny.airport
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl single value : 8500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : sct.tracon
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	descent : intermediate altitude ground : parked
Route In Use	arrival : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 100
ASRS Report	523668
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : became reoriented
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

I was giving a pilot a demonstration flight in a new aircraft, a raytheon premier 1. The pilot being demonstrated was a current citation excel pilot. During our flight from bfl to vny he seemed to be very far behind the aircraft, as I continuously had to help correct his inputs. While with socal approach control we started a descent, I started to program the FMS for the ILS runway 16R at vny. I looked up to see the PF, at 8500 ft at 295 KTS. I immediately told him to slow, bring the power back and add speed brakes. We slowed very quickly below 250 KTS. Nothing was mentioned by socal and no conflict existed. While people are qualified in similar aircraft, it seems the basics of flight are disregarded.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A CHK PLT RPT ON THE PROB WITH ONE PLT CHK OUT ON THE RAYTHEON PREMIER 1 ACFT WHEN THE TRAINEE EXCEEDED THE 250 KT RULE AT 8500 FT NEAR VNY, CA.

Narrative: I WAS GIVING A PLT A DEMONSTRATION FLT IN A NEW ACFT, A RAYTHEON PREMIER 1. THE PLT BEING DEMONSTRATED WAS A CURRENT CITATION EXCEL PLT. DURING OUR FLT FROM BFL TO VNY HE SEEMED TO BE VERY FAR BEHIND THE ACFT, AS I CONTINUOUSLY HAD TO HELP CORRECT HIS INPUTS. WHILE WITH SOCAL APCH CTL WE STARTED A DSCNT, I STARTED TO PROGRAM THE FMS FOR THE ILS RWY 16R AT VNY. I LOOKED UP TO SEE THE PF, AT 8500 FT AT 295 KTS. I IMMEDIATELY TOLD HIM TO SLOW, BRING THE PWR BACK AND ADD SPD BRAKES. WE SLOWED VERY QUICKLY BELOW 250 KTS. NOTHING WAS MENTIONED BY SOCAL AND NO CONFLICT EXISTED. WHILE PEOPLE ARE QUALIFIED IN SIMILAR ACFT, IT SEEMS THE BASICS OF FLT ARE DISREGARDED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.