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Attributes | |
ACN | 524303 |
Time | |
Date | 200109 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ism.airport |
Altitude | msl single value : 800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ism.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other ndb |
Flight Phase | descent : approach climbout : takeoff |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 455 |
ASRS Report | 524303 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Events | |
Anomaly | other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment : msaw other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was on instrument training flight with one of my students. We were proceeding on a vectored approach for NDB 15 approach into kism. We were in contact with orlando approach. My student had tuned and identified the orlando VOR and had also set up our 'obs' selector for the 211 degree radial off orlando VOR in order to identify a step down fix (vinyl intersection). We were inbound on the approach outside of vinyl (I believe we were approach 800 ft MSL) when orlando approach told us to contact tower. We also had ism in sight at this time. As we contacted ism tower, our VOR needle centered. As we believed we were over vinyl, I believe that we might have started our decent to MDA (as I recall, the student performed a few checks before starting the descent. Ism tower issued us a 'low altitude alert,' by that time it appeared as though we were inside of vinyl intersection (due to VOR indications), though visually the distance to the airport appeared to be approximately 6-7 miles. Approximately one minute after the 'low altitude alert,' the CDI needle on our VOR indicator appeared to re-center. And we proceeded the approach visually. I am not sure if the situation came about due to human factors or mechanical/radio problems. Though both pilots recall the CDI needle centering twice, better situation awareness with visual reference might have had a positive effect on this situation. I am not sure if any violation occurred during this approach.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A C172 INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT DESCENDED PREMATURELY AT KISM, CAUSING A 'MINIMUM SAFE ALTITUDE WARNING' TO BE ISSUED BY TWR.
Narrative: I WAS ON INSTRUMENT TRAINING FLT WITH ONE OF MY STUDENTS. WE WERE PROCEEDING ON A VECTORED APCH FOR NDB 15 APCH INTO KISM. WE WERE IN CONTACT WITH ORLANDO APCH. MY STUDENT HAD TUNED AND IDENTIFIED THE ORLANDO VOR AND HAD ALSO SET UP OUR 'OBS' SELECTOR FOR THE 211 DEG RADIAL OFF ORLANDO VOR IN ORDER TO IDENTIFY A STEP DOWN FIX (VINYL INTERSECTION). WE WERE INBOUND ON THE APCH OUTSIDE OF VINYL (I BELIEVE WE WERE APCH 800 FT MSL) WHEN ORLANDO APCH TOLD US TO CONTACT TWR. WE ALSO HAD ISM IN SIGHT AT THIS TIME. AS WE CONTACTED ISM TWR, OUR VOR NEEDLE CENTERED. AS WE BELIEVED WE WERE OVER VINYL, I BELIEVE THAT WE MIGHT HAVE STARTED OUR DECENT TO MDA (AS I RECALL, THE STUDENT PERFORMED A FEW CHECKS BEFORE STARTING THE DESCENT. ISM TWR ISSUED US A 'LOW ALTITUDE ALERT,' BY THAT TIME IT APPEARED AS THOUGH WE WERE INSIDE OF VINYL INTERSECTION (DUE TO VOR INDICATIONS), THOUGH VISUALLY THE DISTANCE TO THE ARPT APPEARED TO BE APPROX 6-7 MILES. APPROX ONE MINUTE AFTER THE 'LOW ALTITUDE ALERT,' THE CDI NEEDLE ON OUR VOR INDICATOR APPEARED TO RE-CENTER. AND WE PROCEEDED THE APCH VISUALLY. I AM NOT SURE IF THE SITUATION CAME ABOUT DUE TO HUMAN FACTORS OR MECHANICAL/RADIO PROBS. THOUGH BOTH PLTS RECALL THE CDI NEEDLE CENTERING TWICE, BETTER SIT AWARENESS WITH VISUAL REFERENCE MIGHT HAVE HAD A POSITIVE EFFECT ON THIS SIT. I AM NOT SURE IF ANY VIOLATION OCCURRED DURING THIS APCH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.