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Attributes | |
ACN | 525012 |
Time | |
Date | 200109 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : clt.airport |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : clt.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : chckrs.jacal |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 350 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 2400 |
ASRS Report | 525012 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
This is a new SID at clt. Neither of us had seen it before. While on the ground, I had reviewed the routing and compared it very carefully with what was in the FMS. The route was correct. I did notice the altitude and airspeed restriction on the departure. However, I honestly should have spent more time looking at them, because they are very complex. My first officer was flying and he looked over the SID, also. However, we both failed to appreciate the complexity of this procedure. We are used to seeing restriction to cross points at or above certain altitude. This procedure is different. The procedure is the 'checker RNAV five departure' (CHCKR5.jacal). For our takeoff from runway 36L, we were to comply with the following restrs: pulss at .5DME at 11600 ft or above, ebawi at 230 KIAS or less at 4.5 NM further, gladi at or below 8000 ft and at 250 KIAS at 7.4 NM further, jacal at or above 11000 ft and 280 KIAS at 18.3 NM further. Our assigned altitude was 14000 ft, I believe. We were near gladi at around 11000 ft when ATC called and asked our altitude. I said 11000 ft and she said that we should only be at 8000 ft. I checked the SID and saw our mistake and told her that we would descend back to 8000 ft. She said that would not be necessary because there was no problem with traffic. She just wanted us to know the procedure for the next time. She said everyone was messing up on the procedure. The problem arose because I, as the captain, did not review the altitude and the airspeed restrictions as carefully as the routing. My first officer didn't review the procedure well enough, either. It is no excuse, but on short turn times, things are rushed. I missed the complexity of the altitude and airspeed restriction and so did he. It would be helpful for commercial charts to put out an extra warning page with new and complex procedures that differ from what we normally see. It was still my mistake with or without such a page. However, that might help. With most departures wanting us at or above the published altitudes, we missed the one waypoint on this procedure that was at or below at gladi. Jacal is what we normally see, at or above 11000 ft. For runway's 18R, 36L, and 18L, 36R takeoff there is one way point that has a crossing of at or below. The rest are at or above.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CL65 FLC MISS IMPORTANT RESTRS HAVING NOT SUFFICIENTLY REVIEWED A NEW SID ON DEP FROM CLT.
Narrative: THIS IS A NEW SID AT CLT. NEITHER OF US HAD SEEN IT BEFORE. WHILE ON THE GND, I HAD REVIEWED THE ROUTING AND COMPARED IT VERY CAREFULLY WITH WHAT WAS IN THE FMS. THE RTE WAS CORRECT. I DID NOTICE THE ALT AND AIRSPEED RESTRICTION ON THE DEP. HOWEVER, I HONESTLY SHOULD HAVE SPENT MORE TIME LOOKING AT THEM, BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY COMPLEX. MY FO WAS FLYING AND HE LOOKED OVER THE SID, ALSO. HOWEVER, WE BOTH FAILED TO APPRECIATE THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS PROCEDURE. WE ARE USED TO SEEING RESTRICTION TO CROSS POINTS AT OR ABOVE CERTAIN ALT. THIS PROC IS DIFFERENT. THE PROC IS THE 'CHECKER RNAV FIVE DEP' (CHCKR5.JACAL). FOR OUR TKOF FROM RWY 36L, WE WERE TO COMPLY WITH THE FOLLOWING RESTRS: PULSS AT .5DME AT 11600 FT OR ABOVE, EBAWI AT 230 KIAS OR LESS AT 4.5 NM FURTHER, GLADI AT OR BELOW 8000 FT AND AT 250 KIAS AT 7.4 NM FURTHER, JACAL AT OR ABOVE 11000 FT AND 280 KIAS AT 18.3 NM FURTHER. OUR ASSIGNED ALT WAS 14000 FT, I BELIEVE. WE WERE NEAR GLADI AT AROUND 11000 FT WHEN ATC CALLED AND ASKED OUR ALT. I SAID 11000 FT AND SHE SAID THAT WE SHOULD ONLY BE AT 8000 FT. I CHKED THE SID AND SAW OUR MISTAKE AND TOLD HER THAT WE WOULD DSND BACK TO 8000 FT. SHE SAID THAT WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PROBLEM WITH TFC. SHE JUST WANTED US TO KNOW THE PROC FOR THE NEXT TIME. SHE SAID EVERYONE WAS MESSING UP ON THE PROC. THE PROBLEM AROSE BECAUSE I, AS THE CAPT, DID NOT REVIEW THE ALT AND THE AIRSPEED RESTRICTIONS AS CAREFULLY AS THE ROUTING. MY FO DIDN'T REVIEW THE PROC WELL ENOUGH, EITHER. IT IS NO EXCUSE, BUT ON SHORT TURN TIMES, THINGS ARE RUSHED. I MISSED THE COMPLEXITY OF THE ALT AND AIRSPEED RESTRICTION AND SO DID HE. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR COMMERCIAL CHARTS TO PUT OUT AN EXTRA WARNING PAGE WITH NEW AND COMPLEX PROCS THAT DIFFER FROM WHAT WE NORMALLY SEE. IT WAS STILL MY MISTAKE WITH OR WITHOUT SUCH A PAGE. HOWEVER, THAT MIGHT HELP. WITH MOST DEPS WANTING US AT OR ABOVE THE PUBLISHED ALTS, WE MISSED THE ONE WAYPOINT ON THIS PROC THAT WAS AT OR BELOW AT GLADI. JACAL IS WHAT WE NORMALLY SEE, AT OR ABOVE 11000 FT. FOR RWY'S 18R, 36L, AND 18L, 36R TKOF THERE IS ONE WAY POINT THAT HAS A XING OF AT OR BELOW. THE REST ARE AT OR ABOVE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.