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Attributes | |
ACN | 526038 |
Time | |
Date | 200109 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : rfd.airport |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-8 70 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : rfd.tower |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 6400 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 526038 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical ground encounters other non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
After landing with proper landing clearance from rfd tower, the tower controller asked if we would exit the runway at taxiway 'G' or 'a.' the first officer replied 'roger.' as the aircraft was slowing to about 80 knots I saw that an aircraft was in motion for takeoff on the intersecting runway. The controller cleared the other aircraft for takeoff on the intersecting runway before we exited the runway. If we did not stop our aircraft in time, it is possible that a collision could have occurred. I believe that the controller thought that asking us to exit a taxiway halfway down the runway was as good as a 'lahso' clearance. After asking the controller why he cleared the other aircraft for takeoff, his reply was that we said we would exit the runway. The first officer never said 'wilco' or anything close. According to the aim, 'roger' only means that the message was heard and understood. The term 'roger' does not mean the receiver will comply with the instructions. There were no lahso operations in effect at the time. I believe non standard procedures and phraseology were the contributing factors in this incident. I also believe that the improper use of the word 'roger' was a factor.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW REPORTED LCL AT RFD ISSUED TKOF CLRNC TO ACFT THAT CROSSED THEIR LNDG RWY.
Narrative: AFTER LNDG WITH PROPER LNDG CLRNC FROM RFD TWR, THE TWR CTLR ASKED IF WE WOULD EXIT THE RWY AT TXWY 'G' OR 'A.' THE FO REPLIED 'ROGER.' AS THE ACFT WAS SLOWING TO ABOUT 80 KNOTS I SAW THAT AN ACFT WAS IN MOTION FOR TKOF ON THE INTERSECTING RWY. THE CTLR CLRED THE OTHER ACFT FOR TKOF ON THE INTERSECTING RWY BEFORE WE EXITED THE RWY. IF WE DID NOT STOP OUR ACFT IN TIME, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT A COLLISION COULD HAVE OCCURRED. I BELIEVE THAT THE CTLR THOUGHT THAT ASKING US TO EXIT A TXWY HALFWAY DOWN THE RWY WAS AS GOOD AS A 'LAHSO' CLRNC. AFTER ASKING THE CTLR WHY HE CLRED THE OTHER ACFT FOR TKOF, HIS REPLY WAS THAT WE SAID WE WOULD EXIT THE RWY. THE FO NEVER SAID 'WILCO' OR ANYTHING CLOSE. ACCORDING TO THE AIM, 'ROGER' ONLY MEANS THAT THE MSG WAS HEARD AND UNDERSTOOD. THE TERM 'ROGER' DOES NOT MEAN THE RECEIVER WILL COMPLY WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS. THERE WERE NO LAHSO OPS IN EFFECT AT THE TIME. I BELIEVE NON STANDARD PROCS AND PHRASEOLOGY WERE THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS IN THIS INCIDENT. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE IMPROPER USE OF THE WORD 'ROGER' WAS A FACTOR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.