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An A320 PIC has problems, as seen through his first officer's eyes, of getting his aircraft into the clearance envelope with ATC when attempting an ILS approach to runway 34 at ric, va.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 527367 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200110 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : ric.vortac |
| State Reference | VA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc.artcc tracon : ric.tracon tower : ric.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | A320 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer only : 34 other vortac |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level descent : approach ground : parked |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 600 |
| ASRS Report | 527367 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies non adherence : far other anomaly other anomaly other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to original clearance flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course flight crew : became reoriented |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
ZDC issued 305 degree radial ric at 10000 ft 250 KTS. Captain got behind briefing the approach. About 31 mi and 13000 ft, we were handed off to ric approach and was issued 6000 ft. By this time, captain was trying so hard to get down, 340 KTS open descent, we went through 10000 ft at over 300 KTS. On the approach he was still behind. We were way too high so we overshot the runway 34 and still had to do a 360 degree turn to get down. I am not sure what he was trying to turn off but be turned off the autothrust and the autoplt. While trying to get the autothrust back on we started a climb which the tower asked us about. We landed without further problems. It's hard to help someone who does not want it, so I get to write NASA forms. I tried all I know, 'we are 10 mi out 6000 ft high and 90 KTS too fast.' you are 8 mi from the FAF and 4000 ft high. I don't know what else to say.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A320 PIC HAS PROBS, AS SEEN THROUGH HIS FO'S EYES, OF GETTING HIS ACFT INTO THE CLRNC ENVELOPE WITH ATC WHEN ATTEMPTING AN ILS APCH TO RWY 34 AT RIC, VA.
Narrative: ZDC ISSUED 305 DEG RADIAL RIC AT 10000 FT 250 KTS. CAPT GOT BEHIND BRIEFING THE APCH. ABOUT 31 MI AND 13000 FT, WE WERE HANDED OFF TO RIC APCH AND WAS ISSUED 6000 FT. BY THIS TIME, CAPT WAS TRYING SO HARD TO GET DOWN, 340 KTS OPEN DSCNT, WE WENT THROUGH 10000 FT AT OVER 300 KTS. ON THE APCH HE WAS STILL BEHIND. WE WERE WAY TOO HIGH SO WE OVERSHOT THE RWY 34 AND STILL HAD TO DO A 360 DEG TURN TO GET DOWN. I AM NOT SURE WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO TURN OFF BUT BE TURNED OFF THE AUTOTHRUST AND THE AUTOPLT. WHILE TRYING TO GET THE AUTOTHRUST BACK ON WE STARTED A CLB WHICH THE TWR ASKED US ABOUT. WE LANDED WITHOUT FURTHER PROBS. IT'S HARD TO HELP SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT WANT IT, SO I GET TO WRITE NASA FORMS. I TRIED ALL I KNOW, 'WE ARE 10 MI OUT 6000 FT HIGH AND 90 KTS TOO FAST.' YOU ARE 8 MI FROM THE FAF AND 4000 FT HIGH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.