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B757 captain requested heading change for WX avoidance from departure controller during SID climb, it was approved. However, the ARTCC controller to which he was handed of to expressed a problem with that since it caused a problem with another airport's arrival route.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 527770 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200110 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : fll.airport |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl single value : 11000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Weather Elements | Thunderstorm |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma.artcc tracon : mia.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure sid : fll9.fll |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 527770 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : wx radar other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure other |
Narrative:
Scheduled flight from fll to atl. Normal takeoff on runway 9L. Departure gave us a heading to 320 degrees and intercept 'arkes transition.' looking at radar, showed an area of rain on that heading. Asked departure for a 360 degree heading for 40 mi for WX. He said 'approved' and contact miami center. Miami center asked our heading, we told him and his response was 'says who?' we told him and he said it was a problem between controllers. We did go back to 320 degrees at his request as WX looked much more benign with altitude. Rest of flight was fine. We were a little surprised at that ATC phraseology of 'says who.' conversation with him when frequency was not busy indicated no conflicts and that departure had approved a heading toward inbounds to pbi.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 CAPT REQUESTED HEADING CHANGE FOR WX AVOIDANCE FROM DEP CTLR DURING SID CLIMB, IT WAS APPROVED. HOWEVER, THE ARTCC CTLR TO WHICH HE WAS HANDED OF TO EXPRESSED A PROB WITH THAT SINCE IT CAUSED A PROB WITH ANOTHER ARPT'S ARRIVAL ROUTE.
Narrative: SCHEDULED FLT FROM FLL TO ATL. NORMAL TKOF ON RWY 9L. DEP GAVE US A HEADING TO 320 DEGS AND INTERCEPT 'ARKES TRANSITION.' LOOKING AT RADAR, SHOWED AN AREA OF RAIN ON THAT HEADING. ASKED DEP FOR A 360 DEG HEADING FOR 40 MI FOR WX. HE SAID 'APPROVED' AND CONTACT MIAMI CENTER. MIAMI CENTER ASKED OUR HEADING, WE TOLD HIM AND HIS RESPONSE WAS 'SAYS WHO?' WE TOLD HIM AND HE SAID IT WAS A PROB BETWEEN CTLRS. WE DID GO BACK TO 320 DEGS AT HIS REQUEST AS WX LOOKED MUCH MORE BENIGN WITH ALT. REST OF FLT WAS FINE. WE WERE A LITTLE SURPRISED AT THAT ATC PHRASEOLOGY OF 'SAYS WHO.' CONVERSATION WITH HIM WHEN FREQ WAS NOT BUSY INDICATED NO CONFLICTS AND THAT DEP HAD APPROVED A HEADING TOWARD INBOUNDS TO PBI.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.