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Attributes | |
ACN | 527892 |
Time | |
Date | 200110 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : djb.vortac |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl single value : 2300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : cle.tracon tower : mia.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna 340/340A |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 1461 flight time type : 417 |
ASRS Report | 527892 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : departure |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course flight crew : exited penetrated airspace |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I departed lpr, oh, under the cle class B airspace. My destination was cdw, nj, which is under the new york class B airspace and is restr to IFR arrs and departures only. Therefore, my nonstop flight had to be made under an IFR flight plan. That plan had been filed earlier that morning, as was the departure flight to lpr. Upon obtaining an updated briefing at the FBO in lpr, just before, departure, I learned that the remote station for clearance delivery was inoperative. My choices were asking for a void time in the class B airspace, or departing VFR and obtaining my clearance while airborne in VMC. Such was my plan, and so it was completed. After takeoff, I turned south. When I was under the 3000 ft ceiling, I turned toward the akron, oh, VOR -- headed towards aco and tried to contact cleveland. I was told by the TRACON when I called later that even that they heard my calls. Unfortunately, they didn't respond. Thinking that I was under the 3000 ft ring, I climbed to 2300 ft (she said 2200 ft) to increase reception. I had no idea that they had heard me but were just not answering. The frequencys were not busy. While trying to remain clear of the class B airspace, I was trying to watch for other VFR traffic, trying to head for akron, and calling cleveland. When they finally answered me, I was questioned about my altitude and then I was advised, immediately, that I had violated their space. Obviously they were watching my transponder (1200 with mode C) returns, and listening to me without responding. Position reports upon departing lorain were made. After responding to my call with a transponder code, asking for my altitude, which was truthfully given, and advising me of an incursion, I was given a heading south, and then my clearance 'cleared as filed.' they were expecting me, listening to me, and watching me, but did nothing until the incursion. I was given the TRACON phone number, and told to call at my destination. I guess, from this experience, that the better way to have handled this was to have gotten a void time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GA PLT DEPARTS VFR FROM ARPT UNDER CLE MODE C VEIL WITHOUT AN IFR CLRNC.
Narrative: I DEPARTED LPR, OH, UNDER THE CLE CLASS B AIRSPACE. MY DEST WAS CDW, NJ, WHICH IS UNDER THE NEW YORK CLASS B AIRSPACE AND IS RESTR TO IFR ARRS AND DEPS ONLY. THEREFORE, MY NONSTOP FLT HAD TO BE MADE UNDER AN IFR FLT PLAN. THAT PLAN HAD BEEN FILED EARLIER THAT MORNING, AS WAS THE DEP FLT TO LPR. UPON OBTAINING AN UPDATED BRIEFING AT THE FBO IN LPR, JUST BEFORE, DEP, I LEARNED THAT THE REMOTE STATION FOR CLRNC DELIVERY WAS INOP. MY CHOICES WERE ASKING FOR A VOID TIME IN THE CLASS B AIRSPACE, OR DEPARTING VFR AND OBTAINING MY CLRNC WHILE AIRBORNE IN VMC. SUCH WAS MY PLAN, AND SO IT WAS COMPLETED. AFTER TKOF, I TURNED S. WHEN I WAS UNDER THE 3000 FT CEILING, I TURNED TOWARD THE AKRON, OH, VOR -- HEADED TOWARDS ACO AND TRIED TO CONTACT CLEVELAND. I WAS TOLD BY THE TRACON WHEN I CALLED LATER THAT EVEN THAT THEY HEARD MY CALLS. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY DIDN'T RESPOND. THINKING THAT I WAS UNDER THE 3000 FT RING, I CLBED TO 2300 FT (SHE SAID 2200 FT) TO INCREASE RECEPTION. I HAD NO IDEA THAT THEY HAD HEARD ME BUT WERE JUST NOT ANSWERING. THE FREQS WERE NOT BUSY. WHILE TRYING TO REMAIN CLR OF THE CLASS B AIRSPACE, I WAS TRYING TO WATCH FOR OTHER VFR TFC, TRYING TO HEAD FOR AKRON, AND CALLING CLEVELAND. WHEN THEY FINALLY ANSWERED ME, I WAS QUESTIONED ABOUT MY ALT AND THEN I WAS ADVISED, IMMEDIATELY, THAT I HAD VIOLATED THEIR SPACE. OBVIOUSLY THEY WERE WATCHING MY XPONDER (1200 WITH MODE C) RETURNS, AND LISTENING TO ME WITHOUT RESPONDING. POS RPTS UPON DEPARTING LORAIN WERE MADE. AFTER RESPONDING TO MY CALL WITH A XPONDER CODE, ASKING FOR MY ALT, WHICH WAS TRUTHFULLY GIVEN, AND ADVISING ME OF AN INCURSION, I WAS GIVEN A HDG S, AND THEN MY CLRNC 'CLRED AS FILED.' THEY WERE EXPECTING ME, LISTENING TO ME, AND WATCHING ME, BUT DID NOTHING UNTIL THE INCURSION. I WAS GIVEN THE TRACON PHONE NUMBER, AND TOLD TO CALL AT MY DEST. I GUESS, FROM THIS EXPERIENCE, THAT THE BETTER WAY TO HAVE HANDLED THIS WAS TO HAVE GOTTEN A VOID TIME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.