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Attributes | |
ACN | 528250 |
Time | |
Date | 200110 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : fty.airport |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Cessna Citation Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi ground : parked |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | King Air C90 E90 |
Flight Phase | ground : parked |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 528250 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 2800 flight time type : 30 |
ASRS Report | 528345 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : company policies other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : gnd 3 |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 15 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Maintenance Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor Airport |
Primary Problem | Environmental Factor |
Narrative:
Entering FBO ramp, both pilots searched for lineman and did not spot him. Nearly dark, but not quite, so I parked beside a row of 2 aircraft on ramp, close to a king air. Set parking brake, got out aircraft and lineman appeared. He was upset because we parked where we did. We stated that he was not visible when we entered his ramp, and we would take more time for him to appear in future before self parking. He refueled us where we were, without objection. While outside, I checked wingtip clearance with adjacent king air, and determined that we could depart ramp without hitting wingtips. Note: because ramp sloped down to the right, left wing was higher than usual, and reduced or eliminated the normal vertical separation of wingtips between a king air and citation, leaving only horizontal gap, a smaller than normal gap. After departing ramp, lineman called tower and said we almost hit the aircraft. (By this time it was dark, and we had followed lineman's direction leaving ramp.) in the future, we will take more time for lineman to appear before deciding to self park, especially at dusk and/or night. Supplemental information from acn 528345: the line boy demanded to know why we did not park where he wanted us to. We told him we did not see him. The line boy would not drop the subject, but did fuel us. We then started up and had to wait about 2 mins for system to spool up. Line boy came back, we signaled ready, and he marshalled us out. At no time while moving were we closer than approximately 15 ft to another aircraft (parked). This report is filed in response to tower's warning that the line boy was filing a report. Line boy, based on his attitude, may have been having a bad day.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE FLC OF A CITATION CPR JET RECEIVES A COMPLAINT FROM THE MARSHALLER WHEN THEY FAIL TO SEE HIM STANDING BY TO PARK THEM AT THE FBO RAMP AT FTY, GA.
Narrative: ENTERING FBO RAMP, BOTH PLTS SEARCHED FOR LINEMAN AND DID NOT SPOT HIM. NEARLY DARK, BUT NOT QUITE, SO I PARKED BESIDE A ROW OF 2 ACFT ON RAMP, CLOSE TO A KING AIR. SET PARKING BRAKE, GOT OUT ACFT AND LINEMAN APPEARED. HE WAS UPSET BECAUSE WE PARKED WHERE WE DID. WE STATED THAT HE WAS NOT VISIBLE WHEN WE ENTERED HIS RAMP, AND WE WOULD TAKE MORE TIME FOR HIM TO APPEAR IN FUTURE BEFORE SELF PARKING. HE REFUELED US WHERE WE WERE, WITHOUT OBJECTION. WHILE OUTSIDE, I CHKED WINGTIP CLRNC WITH ADJACENT KING AIR, AND DETERMINED THAT WE COULD DEPART RAMP WITHOUT HITTING WINGTIPS. NOTE: BECAUSE RAMP SLOPED DOWN TO THE R, L WING WAS HIGHER THAN USUAL, AND REDUCED OR ELIMINATED THE NORMAL VERT SEPARATION OF WINGTIPS BTWN A KING AIR AND CITATION, LEAVING ONLY HORIZ GAP, A SMALLER THAN NORMAL GAP. AFTER DEPARTING RAMP, LINEMAN CALLED TWR AND SAID WE ALMOST HIT THE ACFT. (BY THIS TIME IT WAS DARK, AND WE HAD FOLLOWED LINEMAN'S DIRECTION LEAVING RAMP.) IN THE FUTURE, WE WILL TAKE MORE TIME FOR LINEMAN TO APPEAR BEFORE DECIDING TO SELF PARK, ESPECIALLY AT DUSK AND/OR NIGHT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 528345: THE LINE BOY DEMANDED TO KNOW WHY WE DID NOT PARK WHERE HE WANTED US TO. WE TOLD HIM WE DID NOT SEE HIM. THE LINE BOY WOULD NOT DROP THE SUBJECT, BUT DID FUEL US. WE THEN STARTED UP AND HAD TO WAIT ABOUT 2 MINS FOR SYS TO SPOOL UP. LINE BOY CAME BACK, WE SIGNALED READY, AND HE MARSHALLED US OUT. AT NO TIME WHILE MOVING WERE WE CLOSER THAN APPROX 15 FT TO ANOTHER ACFT (PARKED). THIS RPT IS FILED IN RESPONSE TO TWR'S WARNING THAT THE LINE BOY WAS FILING A RPT. LINE BOY, BASED ON HIS ATTITUDE, MAY HAVE BEEN HAVING A BAD DAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.