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Attributes | |
ACN | 528349 |
Time | |
Date | 200110 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dal.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer only : 13r other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream Jet Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 528349 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 72 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 6674 |
ASRS Report | 527732 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : separated traffic controller : issued new clearance controller : provided flight assist flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course flight crew : became reoriented flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action other |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport Weather |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
On a visual approach to dal runway 13R, we accepted clearance to follow another aircraft (I believe a gulfstream). We had him and field in sight. The captain was PF and he joined me on the ILS frequency. Shortly after we lost sight of the gulfstream in the city lights of dallas. While trying to relocate him and tell air traffic control, we saw our localizer needles looking like we had gone through final and started a left turn. After telling ATC, they gave us a right turn and pointed out the traffic and told us not to descend anymore. We relocated the traffic and followed him in for a normal landing. After looking at the chain of events, I think in the -300, -500, or -700, we would not have lost positional awareness. But in the -200, I was the PNF and I had the ILS frequency in to give the captain DME awareness to the field while he was navigating off of cve (cowboy VOR). Once we accepted the visual approach, the captain went to the ILS frequency also and in retrospect, I think I should have tuned up cve for better positional awareness until we were established on final. In which if we were in the other aircraft, that would have been the case. Supplemental information from acn 527732: once we were back on base we reacquired both the field and the aircraft. Subsequent approach and landing were uneventful. One pilot (PNF) leaving a nearby VOR on for position reference could have precluded this. I also believe that there needs to be an NDB on both sides of the field if there is no VOR on the field.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-200 CREW LOST VISUAL CONTACT WITH TFC THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW AT NIGHT AT DFW.
Narrative: ON A VISUAL APCH TO DAL RWY 13R, WE ACCEPTED CLRNC TO FOLLOW ANOTHER ACFT (I BELIEVE A GULFSTREAM). WE HAD HIM AND FIELD IN SIGHT. THE CAPT WAS PF AND HE JOINED ME ON THE ILS FREQ. SHORTLY AFTER WE LOST SIGHT OF THE GULFSTREAM IN THE CITY LIGHTS OF DALLAS. WHILE TRYING TO RELOCATE HIM AND TELL AIR TFC CTL, WE SAW OUR LOC NEEDLES LOOKING LIKE WE HAD GONE THROUGH FINAL AND STARTED A L TURN. AFTER TELLING ATC, THEY GAVE US A R TURN AND POINTED OUT THE TFC AND TOLD US NOT TO DSND ANYMORE. WE RELOCATED THE TFC AND FOLLOWED HIM IN FOR A NORMAL LNDG. AFTER LOOKING AT THE CHAIN OF EVENTS, I THINK IN THE -300, -500, OR -700, WE WOULD NOT HAVE LOST POSITIONAL AWARENESS. BUT IN THE -200, I WAS THE PNF AND I HAD THE ILS FREQ IN TO GIVE THE CAPT DME AWARENESS TO THE FIELD WHILE HE WAS NAVING OFF OF CVE (COWBOY VOR). ONCE WE ACCEPTED THE VISUAL APCH, THE CAPT WENT TO THE ILS FREQ ALSO AND IN RETROSPECT, I THINK I SHOULD HAVE TUNED UP CVE FOR BETTER POSITIONAL AWARENESS UNTIL WE WERE ESTABLISHED ON FINAL. IN WHICH IF WE WERE IN THE OTHER ACFT, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE CASE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 527732: ONCE WE WERE BACK ON BASE WE REACQUIRED BOTH THE FIELD AND THE ACFT. SUBSEQUENT APCH AND LNDG WERE UNEVENTFUL. ONE PLT (PNF) LEAVING A NEARBY VOR ON FOR POS REF COULD HAVE PRECLUDED THIS. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE AN NDB ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FIELD IF THERE IS NO VOR ON THE FIELD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.