Lear 60 flight crew stopped over the hold short line after mistakenly responding to another aircraft...

Attributes
ACN	529299
Time
Date	200111
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : sdl.airport
State Reference	AZ
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air taxi
Make Model Name	Learjet 60
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 135
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : captain
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 6600 flight time type : 700
ASRS Report	529299
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued alert
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew faa : investigated faa : assigned or threatened penalties
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

While taxiing out to runway 3 at scottsdale airport from the hangar, ground control advised to taxi up and hold short runway 3 at taxiway B10. From this hold area visibility is restr due to construction. The aircraft was brought to a complete stop at the hold short lines. Both the co-captain and myself believed we heard ground control issue instructions to our aircraft to taxi for runway 3 and follow the single-engine cessna on the other side of the runway taxiing for runway 3. Co-captain (myself) read these taxi instructions back to ground control explicitly. The captain began to move the aircraft. We reached a point where 1/2 the aircraft was over the hold short line. This was approximately 15-20 ft. No part of the aircraft extended out onto the active runway. This was approximately 10 seconds after the taxi clearance was read back and the engines on this aircraft take 7 seconds to speed up enough to move the aircraft. It was at this point that ground control noticed our movement and told us to hold short. There was a single engine airplane on final that we were told to hold for. After this aircraft taxied off 3000 ft before our airplane, we were cleared to cross the runway and told to contact the tower. We feel this problem arose due to the fact that we gave a complete readback of the controller's instructions and if we had mistaken call signs the controller should have told us to hold short. This is a busy airport with lots of training and many times controllers are working more than 1 frequency. We contacted the supervisor by phone as requested and were told that a pilot deviation had occurred and the FAA had been notified. In the interest of safety we feel that the phone call we made was more than adequate for both parties to have discussed what occurred. No airplane at any time had to deviate from its flight path or execute a go around or was in a position of a traffic conflict. We feel that the action taken by the scottsdale tower is excessive, does not promote safety and only hampers the working relationship between all aircraft and ATC on this field.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: LEAR 60 FLC STOPPED OVER THE HOLD SHORT LINE AFTER MISTAKENLY RESPONDING TO ANOTHER ACFT'S TAXI CLRNC AND THE GND CTLR NOTICING THEM GETTING READY TO CROSS THE RWY WITH ANOTHER ACFT ON FINAL.

Narrative: WHILE TAXIING OUT TO RWY 3 AT SCOTTSDALE ARPT FROM THE HANGAR, GND CTL ADVISED TO TAXI UP AND HOLD SHORT RWY 3 AT TXWY B10. FROM THIS HOLD AREA VISIBILITY IS RESTR DUE TO CONSTRUCTION. THE ACFT WAS BROUGHT TO A COMPLETE STOP AT THE HOLD SHORT LINES. BOTH THE CO-CAPT AND MYSELF BELIEVED WE HEARD GND CTL ISSUE INSTRUCTIONS TO OUR ACFT TO TAXI FOR RWY 3 AND FOLLOW THE SINGLE-ENG CESSNA ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RWY TAXIING FOR RWY 3. CO-CAPT (MYSELF) READ THESE TAXI INSTRUCTIONS BACK TO GND CTL EXPLICITLY. THE CAPT BEGAN TO MOVE THE ACFT. WE REACHED A POINT WHERE 1/2 THE ACFT WAS OVER THE HOLD SHORT LINE. THIS WAS APPROX 15-20 FT. NO PART OF THE ACFT EXTENDED OUT ONTO THE ACTIVE RWY. THIS WAS APPROX 10 SECONDS AFTER THE TAXI CLRNC WAS READ BACK AND THE ENGS ON THIS ACFT TAKE 7 SECONDS TO SPD UP ENOUGH TO MOVE THE ACFT. IT WAS AT THIS POINT THAT GND CTL NOTICED OUR MOVEMENT AND TOLD US TO HOLD SHORT. THERE WAS A SINGLE ENG AIRPLANE ON FINAL THAT WE WERE TOLD TO HOLD FOR. AFTER THIS ACFT TAXIED OFF 3000 FT BEFORE OUR AIRPLANE, WE WERE CLRED TO CROSS THE RWY AND TOLD TO CONTACT THE TWR. WE FEEL THIS PROB AROSE DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE GAVE A COMPLETE READBACK OF THE CTLR'S INSTRUCTIONS AND IF WE HAD MISTAKEN CALL SIGNS THE CTLR SHOULD HAVE TOLD US TO HOLD SHORT. THIS IS A BUSY ARPT WITH LOTS OF TRAINING AND MANY TIMES CTLRS ARE WORKING MORE THAN 1 FREQ. WE CONTACTED THE SUPVR BY PHONE AS REQUESTED AND WERE TOLD THAT A PLTDEV HAD OCCURRED AND THE FAA HAD BEEN NOTIFIED. IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY WE FEEL THAT THE PHONE CALL WE MADE WAS MORE THAN ADEQUATE FOR BOTH PARTIES TO HAVE DISCUSSED WHAT OCCURRED. NO AIRPLANE AT ANY TIME HAD TO DEVIATE FROM ITS FLT PATH OR EXECUTE A GAR OR WAS IN A POS OF A TFC CONFLICT. WE FEEL THAT THE ACTION TAKEN BY THE SCOTTSDALE TWR IS EXCESSIVE, DOES NOT PROMOTE SAFETY AND ONLY HAMPERS THE WORKING RELATIONSHIP BTWN ALL ACFT AND ATC ON THIS FIELD.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Lear 60 flight crew stopped over the hold short line after mistakenly responding to another aircraft's taxi clearance and the ground controller noticing them getting ready to cross the runway with another aircraft on final.