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Attributes | |
ACN | 529969 |
Time | |
Date | 200111 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl single value : 1500 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : c90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B777 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 27r |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 59 |
ASRS Report | 529969 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
ASRS Report | 529971 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : company policies other anomaly other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | other Other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
The first officer and I talked about the fact that I would make the landing at ord. But I let him start the approach with the idea in mind that I would take the aircraft at the marker. Approach control turned us just inside the marker and we were slightly high. The first officer reached the marker on GS with the gear down on speed with the checklist complete. I informed the first officer that I had the aircraft and he informed me that he had been hand flying. At about 1200 ft, the first officer stated that we had gotten slow and we were 20 KTS below target (reference +14 KTS). I responded by advancing throttles and selected the autothrottle on. The speed returned to reference +14 KTS. Below 900 ft normal approach the rest of the approach and landing were normal and on profile on speed. From a CRM standpoint, I certainly should have taken the aircraft for landing no later than downwind so as to avoid this kind of problem. In the future, I will not change control of the aircraft on final approach unless absolutely necessary. Supplemental information from acn 529971: captain was under new captain requirements to do first 10 takeoffs and lndgs. Captain announced that he had the aircraft. Shortly after that, we were fully configured on speed, on profile. I responded that I had the radios and he said to contact the tower. After changing frequencys, I noticed that the airspeed was decreasing through our target and said watch your airspeed. I then said airspeed again, 20 KTS slow. Captain pushed up the power and engaged the autothrottles. We remained on GS and were back on speed by approximately 800 ft. Despite the momentary lapse of airspeed, we met the stabilized approach criteria.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B777 PIC ALLOWS HIS AIRSPD TO DETERIORATE 20 KTS UNDER TARGET SPD ON A ROLE REVERSAL OF PLT FLYING INSIDE THE LOM DURING A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 27R AT ORD, IL.
Narrative: THE FO AND I TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT I WOULD MAKE THE LNDG AT ORD. BUT I LET HIM START THE APCH WITH THE IDEA IN MIND THAT I WOULD TAKE THE ACFT AT THE MARKER. APCH CTL TURNED US JUST INSIDE THE MARKER AND WE WERE SLIGHTLY HIGH. THE FO REACHED THE MARKER ON GS WITH THE GEAR DOWN ON SPD WITH THE CHKLIST COMPLETE. I INFORMED THE FO THAT I HAD THE ACFT AND HE INFORMED ME THAT HE HAD BEEN HAND FLYING. AT ABOUT 1200 FT, THE FO STATED THAT WE HAD GOTTEN SLOW AND WE WERE 20 KTS BELOW TARGET (REF +14 KTS). I RESPONDED BY ADVANCING THROTTLES AND SELECTED THE AUTOTHROTTLE ON. THE SPD RETURNED TO REF +14 KTS. BELOW 900 FT NORMAL APCH THE REST OF THE APCH AND LNDG WERE NORMAL AND ON PROFILE ON SPD. FROM A CRM STANDPOINT, I CERTAINLY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE ACFT FOR LNDG NO LATER THAN DOWNWIND SO AS TO AVOID THIS KIND OF PROB. IN THE FUTURE, I WILL NOT CHANGE CTL OF THE ACFT ON FINAL APCH UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 529971: CAPT WAS UNDER NEW CAPT REQUIREMENTS TO DO FIRST 10 TKOFS AND LNDGS. CAPT ANNOUNCED THAT HE HAD THE ACFT. SHORTLY AFTER THAT, WE WERE FULLY CONFIGURED ON SPD, ON PROFILE. I RESPONDED THAT I HAD THE RADIOS AND HE SAID TO CONTACT THE TWR. AFTER CHANGING FREQS, I NOTICED THAT THE AIRSPD WAS DECREASING THROUGH OUR TARGET AND SAID WATCH YOUR AIRSPD. I THEN SAID AIRSPD AGAIN, 20 KTS SLOW. CAPT PUSHED UP THE PWR AND ENGAGED THE AUTOTHROTTLES. WE REMAINED ON GS AND WERE BACK ON SPD BY APPROX 800 FT. DESPITE THE MOMENTARY LAPSE OF AIRSPD, WE MET THE STABILIZED APCH CRITERIA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.