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Attributes | |
ACN | 530545 |
Time | |
Date | 200111 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : aoo.airport |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ind.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | J3 Cub |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 2770 flight time type : 290 |
ASRS Report | 530545 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : executed go around flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 4000 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather Flight Crew Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
No radio J3 cub inbound to aoo from southeast. Tpa =2500! Inspected landing circle and windsock from overhead at 3000! Windsock indicated runway 02, wind appeared to be 6 to 8 knots in windsock. Performed crosswind join to runway 02 at 2500! No other aircraft visible anywhere in traffic pattern. Normal no radio pattern to short final runway 02. On short final, saw cessna 172 landing on runway 20. Went around checked windsock, still favoring runway 02 with 6 to 8 knots of wind filling windsock. During downwind for runway 02 saw king air land on runway 20 and taxi clear, after touchdown on runway 02, saw twin cessna on 1 to 2 mi final to runway 20 start go around. After clear runway 02, checked windsock, still favoring runway 02 west 6 to 8 knots of wind filling sock. After shutdown, complaints that my use of runway 02 forced twin cessna to abort landing, claimed I should know that preferred runway is runway 20 in AFD. My response, '6 to 8 knots of tailwind may be acceptable for twins, but not for J3-cub,' was not accepted as reasonable. None of these aircraft flew a regular traffic pattern, all made straight-in approachs to runway 20 (were these ILS approachs)? Comments: 1) emphasize to all pilots that non-radio aircraft are typically light and less able to accommodate wind conditions that are acceptable to others: so 'preferred' runway 20 had different interpretations. 2) define in AFD, under what WX conditions the 'preferred' runway is to be used! Don't leave this to pilot discretion: a twin cessna can 'prefer' much more tolerantly than a J3-cub! 3) provide training and guidance on how to interpret wind speed from a windsock! I'm unaware of any guidance at all. I believe wind was 6 to 8 knots. Without radio, I could not compare my interpretations to AWOS.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A J2 PLT LANDED AT AOO ON A NON PREFERRED RWY DUE TO WIND DIRECTION AND VELOCITY
Narrative: NO RADIO J3 CUB INBOUND TO AOO FROM SE. TPA =2500! INSPECTED LNDG CIRCLE AND WINDSOCK FROM OVERHEAD AT 3000! WINDSOCK INDICATED RWY 02, WIND APPEARED TO BE 6 TO 8 KNOTS IN WINDSOCK. PERFORMED CROSSWIND JOIN TO RWY 02 AT 2500! NO OTHER ACFT VISIBLE ANYWHERE IN TFC PATTERN. NORMAL NO RADIO PATTERN TO SHORT FINAL RWY 02. ON SHORT FINAL, SAW CESSNA 172 LNDG ON RWY 20. WENT AROUND CHKED WINDSOCK, STILL FAVORING RWY 02 WITH 6 TO 8 KNOTS OF WIND FILLING WINDSOCK. DURING DOWNWIND FOR RWY 02 SAW KING AIR LAND ON RWY 20 AND TAXI CLR, AFTER TOUCHDOWN ON RWY 02, SAW TWIN CESSNA ON 1 TO 2 MI FINAL TO RWY 20 START GAR. AFTER CLR RWY 02, CHKED WINDSOCK, STILL FAVORING RWY 02 W 6 TO 8 KNOTS OF WIND FILLING SOCK. AFTER SHUTDOWN, COMPLAINTS THAT MY USE OF RWY 02 FORCED TWIN CESSNA TO ABORT LNDG, CLAIMED I SHOULD KNOW THAT PREFERRED RWY IS RWY 20 IN AFD. MY RESPONSE, '6 TO 8 KNOTS OF TAILWIND MAY BE ACCEPTABLE FOR TWINS, BUT NOT FOR J3-CUB,' WAS NOT ACCEPTED AS REASONABLE. NONE OF THESE ACFT FLEW A REGULAR TFC PATTERN, ALL MADE STRAIGHT-IN APCHS TO RWY 20 (WERE THESE ILS APCHS)? COMMENTS: 1) EMPHASIZE TO ALL PLTS THAT NON-RADIO ACFT ARE TYPICALLY LIGHT AND LESS ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE WIND CONDITIONS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE TO OTHERS: SO 'PREFERRED' RWY 20 HAD DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS. 2) DEFINE IN AFD, UNDER WHAT WX CONDITIONS THE 'PREFERRED' RWY IS TO BE USED! DON'T LEAVE THIS TO PLT DISCRETION: A TWIN CESSNA CAN 'PREFER' MUCH MORE TOLERANTLY THAN A J3-CUB! 3) PROVIDE TRAINING AND GUIDANCE ON HOW TO INTERPRET WIND SPEED FROM A WINDSOCK! I'M UNAWARE OF ANY GUIDANCE AT ALL. I BELIEVE WIND WAS 6 TO 8 KNOTS. WITHOUT RADIO, I COULD NOT COMPARE MY INTERPRETATIONS TO AWOS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.