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A B777-200 and a DC8 on runway 4R-runway 22L were landing nose to nose, at ewr. Pilot questioned existing spacing.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 530585 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200111 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ewr.airport |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | agl single value : 600 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : ewr.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B777-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 4r other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : ewr.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-8 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | flight crew : relief pilot |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 176 flight time total : 11456 flight time type : 1400 |
| ASRS Report | 530585 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ground encounters other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On approach into ewr at approximately XA40Z the approach in use was ILS runway 4R. Since it was very early in the morning the controller asked if we would like to do a visual approach to either runway 22L or runway 22R. Believing that we were the only aircraft arriving, we asked for the visual to runway 22L. When we were on an approximately 2 mi final for runway 22L another aircraft reported to be on a 7 mi final for runway 4R. As we landed at approximately XA55Z we exited on high speed taxiway 'north' and the other aircraft, a DC8 flown by air carrier Y was on very short final (less than 500 ft by the time we cleared the hold short line). If we had to go around, we didn't have anywhere to go. The controller should not have issued an approach clearance for two opposing aircraft without a lot more spacing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B777-200 AND A DC8 ON RWY 4R-RWY 22L WERE LNDG NOSE TO NOSE, AT EWR. PLT QUESTIONED EXISTING SPACING.
Narrative: ON APCH INTO EWR AT APPROX XA40Z THE APCH IN USE WAS ILS RWY 4R. SINCE IT WAS VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING THE CTLR ASKED IF WE WOULD LIKE TO DO A VISUAL APCH TO EITHER RWY 22L OR RWY 22R. BELIEVING THAT WE WERE THE ONLY ACFT ARRIVING, WE ASKED FOR THE VISUAL TO RWY 22L. WHEN WE WERE ON AN APPROX 2 MI FINAL FOR RWY 22L ANOTHER ACFT RPTED TO BE ON A 7 MI FINAL FOR RWY 4R. AS WE LANDED AT APPROX XA55Z WE EXITED ON HIGH SPEED TXWY 'N' AND THE OTHER ACFT, A DC8 FLOWN BY ACR Y WAS ON VERY SHORT FINAL (LESS THAN 500 FT BY THE TIME WE CLRED THE HOLD SHORT LINE). IF WE HAD TO GAR, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO. THE CTLR SHOULD NOT HAVE ISSUED AN APCH CLRNC FOR TWO OPPOSING ACFT WITHOUT A LOT MORE SPACING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.