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E145 PIC challenges tower controller as to when is the 'correct time' to change a departing flight to radar departure control.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 532309 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200112 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cmi.airport |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : cmi.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff ground : takeoff roll |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 1100 |
| ASRS Report | 532309 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : azo.tower |
Narrative:
There seems to be a growing problem of the ATC local (tower) controllers asking aircraft to switch to departure at very low altitudes. Examples are: cmi. We were literally rotating when the tower controller asked us to go to departure. We almost aborted as we first thought the call was about something wrong with the aircraft. Azo and QRH, calls by ATC to switch to departure at 200 ft. At both locations my reply was 'standby.' ATC right away (again both) locations started asking if there was a problem. When I informed azo that we are very busy at 200 ft, the controller took this as an insult and started saying that other pilots do not have a problem and he hoped I could handle ord (our destination). It would be great if during ATC training (initial or recurrent) word could go out to wait until our aircraft are 1500 ft or higher to make the call to switch to departure. Up to 1500 ft we are retracting landing gear, bringing up flaps, setting climb speeds and monitoring engine data.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: E145 PIC CHALLENGES TWR CTLR AS TO WHEN IS THE 'CORRECT TIME' TO CHANGE A DEPARTING FLT TO RADAR DEP CTL.
Narrative: THERE SEEMS TO BE A GROWING PROB OF THE ATC LCL (TWR) CTLRS ASKING ACFT TO SWITCH TO DEP AT VERY LOW ALTS. EXAMPLES ARE: CMI. WE WERE LITERALLY ROTATING WHEN THE TWR CTLR ASKED US TO GO TO DEP. WE ALMOST ABORTED AS WE FIRST THOUGHT THE CALL WAS ABOUT SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE ACFT. AZO AND QRH, CALLS BY ATC TO SWITCH TO DEP AT 200 FT. AT BOTH LOCATIONS MY REPLY WAS 'STANDBY.' ATC RIGHT AWAY (AGAIN BOTH) LOCATIONS STARTED ASKING IF THERE WAS A PROB. WHEN I INFORMED AZO THAT WE ARE VERY BUSY AT 200 FT, THE CTLR TOOK THIS AS AN INSULT AND STARTED SAYING THAT OTHER PLTS DO NOT HAVE A PROB AND HE HOPED I COULD HANDLE ORD (OUR DEST). IT WOULD BE GREAT IF DURING ATC TRAINING (INITIAL OR RECURRENT) WORD COULD GO OUT TO WAIT UNTIL OUR ACFT ARE 1500 FT OR HIGHER TO MAKE THE CALL TO SWITCH TO DEP. UP TO 1500 FT WE ARE RETRACTING LNDG GEAR, BRINGING UP FLAPS, SETTING CLB SPDS AND MONITORING ENG DATA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.