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Attributes | |
ACN | 534493 |
Time | |
Date | 200201 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : tex.airport |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 14000 msl bound upper : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 3200 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 534493 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe ground encounters other non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
While approaching tex for a planned visual approach, we were last assigned 15000 ft altitude. The center controller advised his MVA in the area was 16000 ft. He then asked if we were able to maintain our own terrain separation. We advised that we could. Controller then told us to maintain our own terrain separation. I interpreted this to mean we could maneuver and descend as long as terrain separation could be maintained. I initiated a gradual descent and upon reaching 14000 ft, controller inquired about altitude and informed us last assigned altitude was 15000 ft. He then asked if we were canceling IFR, which we then did. Controller advised 'no problem, cancellation received.' while no violation occurred technically, one could have been assessed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZDV CTLR QUESTIONS TURBOJET CPR FLC OBSERVING FURTHER DSCNT BELOW MVA.
Narrative: WHILE APCHING TEX FOR A PLANNED VISUAL APCH, WE WERE LAST ASSIGNED 15000 FT ALT. THE CTR CTLR ADVISED HIS MVA IN THE AREA WAS 16000 FT. HE THEN ASKED IF WE WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR OWN TERRAIN SEPARATION. WE ADVISED THAT WE COULD. CTLR THEN TOLD US TO MAINTAIN OUR OWN TERRAIN SEPARATION. I INTERPED THIS TO MEAN WE COULD MANEUVER AND DSND AS LONG AS TERRAIN SEPARATION COULD BE MAINTAINED. I INITIATED A GRADUAL DSCNT AND UPON REACHING 14000 FT, CTLR INQUIRED ABOUT ALT AND INFORMED US LAST ASSIGNED ALT WAS 15000 FT. HE THEN ASKED IF WE WERE CANCELING IFR, WHICH WE THEN DID. CTLR ADVISED 'NO PROB, CANCELLATION RECEIVED.' WHILE NO VIOLATION OCCURRED TECHNICALLY, ONE COULD HAVE BEEN ASSESSED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.