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Attributes | |
ACN | 535490 |
Time | |
Date | 200201 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | msl single value : 2500 |
Environment | |
Weather Elements | Turbulence |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : zzz.tracon tower : dfw.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 70 flight time type : 70 |
ASRS Report | 535490 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : exited penetrated airspace none taken : unable |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Narrative:
The flight began the night before. This was to be my 3 point solo cross country lesson for a part 141 syllabus. I had planned a flight from ZZZ to ZZZ1 to ZZZ2 to ZZZ3 and back to ZZZ. I received a flight briefing from 1-800-WX-brief. The briefer gave me all available information concerning my flight. He also told me about the restr/prohibited airspace in the area of ZZZ1 and told me I should stay away from that area. Reviewing my planning and direct course route, I was approximately 4 to 5 miles, to the east, from the restr/prohibited airspace. I also reviewed winds aloft, NOTAMS, taf and metars for the route of my flight. There were no NOTAMS concerning any prohibited airspace. I flew my first leg to ZZZ1. I announced a departure from pattern to the north. After departing, I switched frequencys to ZZZ approach to ask for flight following. I verified my position with pilotage noting that the north and south road along that side of the restr/prohibited airspace was 4 to 5 miles to my left. After being bounced around on frequencies, I got a controller to identify me. The controller did not answer me after asking for flight following. Continuing to climb to 3000 ft and tracking the VOR, I tried to make contact again, no answer. Then I heard my tail number and the controller saying 'you must answer me!' so I identified my mode 'C' transponder. I heard the controller say 'you are in restr airspace. Make an immediate right turn to 90 degrees. I made the turn to 90 degrees.' I told the controller that I was unaware I was in that airspace and told him I was a student pilot on a solo cross country training flight. He told me I could 'expect a fighter intercept at any minute.' he then told me that he would give me an option. He could give me flight following, but I would get a squawk code, and it would identify me and they may suspend me for 150 days automatically and take any ratings, or, I could fly VFR to my destination and he would forget all about what happened. He told me to talk to my instructor when I got back. I then said I would fly VFR. I continued on my course to ZZZ2 and asked a frequency for ZZZ1 approach. I then contacted ZZZ1 approach and asked for flight following. I received a squawk code and got the flight following. I continued on my flight to ZZZ2. I talked to my instructor while fueling. He instructed me to fly back to ZZZ by tracking VOR's due to the time of day and possibility of loss of daylight. I got back and we tried to figure out what went wrong. We called the 1-800-WX-brief and made up a plan to follow the same route. The briefer gave all information about the WX and NOTAMS and more. He told us to 'stay away from the restr/prohibited area.' the briefer did not mention anything about an extension of that airspace. My instructor then asked the briefer if there was an extension to that specific airspace, and the briefer seemed unsure of himself. My instructor then asked about where would the landing be if there was a military intercept and the briefer did not know. After consulting with the assistant chief flight instructor, he was baffled as to why no one told us about an extension of this airspace. So he called 1-800-WX-brief number and asked where a NOTAM would be printed about this extension. The briefer told him that 'it is not published anywhere.' he asked about publication of 4 mile extension, and asked the briefer if the briefer would give that information when calling for a briefing. The briefer said they would give the information about a 4 mile extension. On 3 occasions, when calling for a briefing, that 4 mile extension information was not given. I was only told to 'stay away.' how am I supposed to be aware of and avoid something that I am not told about nor do I know where to look for this type of NOTAM, etc. The new sectional charts do not have an extension of that airspace printed on them.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RESTR AREA INTRUSION BY A STUDENT ON SOLO CROSS COUNTRY FLT. NOTAM INFO WAS NOT RECEIVED DURING FLT PLANNING.
Narrative: THE FLT BEGAN THE NIGHT BEFORE. THIS WAS TO BE MY 3 POINT SOLO CROSS COUNTRY LESSON FOR A PART 141 SYLLABUS. I HAD PLANNED A FLT FROM ZZZ TO ZZZ1 TO ZZZ2 TO ZZZ3 AND BACK TO ZZZ. I RECEIVED A FLT BRIEFING FROM 1-800-WX-BRIEF. THE BRIEFER GAVE ME ALL AVAILABLE INFO CONCERNING MY FLT. HE ALSO TOLD ME ABOUT THE RESTR/PROHIBITED AIRSPACE IN THE AREA OF ZZZ1 AND TOLD ME I SHOULD STAY AWAY FROM THAT AREA. REVIEWING MY PLANNING AND DIRECT COURSE RTE, I WAS APPROX 4 TO 5 MILES, TO THE E, FROM THE RESTR/PROHIBITED AIRSPACE. I ALSO REVIEWED WINDS ALOFT, NOTAMS, TAF AND METARS FOR THE RTE OF MY FLT. THERE WERE NO NOTAMS CONCERNING ANY PROHIBITED AIRSPACE. I FLEW MY FIRST LEG TO ZZZ1. I ANNOUNCED A DEP FROM PATTERN TO THE N. AFTER DEPARTING, I SWITCHED FREQS TO ZZZ APCH TO ASK FOR FLT FOLLOWING. I VERIFIED MY POS WITH PILOTAGE NOTING THAT THE N AND S ROAD ALONG THAT SIDE OF THE RESTR/PROHIBITED AIRSPACE WAS 4 TO 5 MILES TO MY L. AFTER BEING BOUNCED AROUND ON FREQUENCIES, I GOT A CTLR TO IDENTIFY ME. THE CTLR DID NOT ANSWER ME AFTER ASKING FOR FLT FOLLOWING. CONTINUING TO CLIMB TO 3000 FT AND TRACKING THE VOR, I TRIED TO MAKE CONTACT AGAIN, NO ANSWER. THEN I HEARD MY TAIL NUMBER AND THE CTLR SAYING 'YOU MUST ANSWER ME!' SO I IDENTIFIED MY MODE 'C' XPONDER. I HEARD THE CTLR SAY 'YOU ARE IN RESTR AIRSPACE. MAKE AN IMMEDIATE R TURN TO 90 DEGS. I MADE THE TURN TO 90 DEGS.' I TOLD THE CTLR THAT I WAS UNAWARE I WAS IN THAT AIRSPACE AND TOLD HIM I WAS A STUDENT PLT ON A SOLO CROSS COUNTRY TRAINING FLT. HE TOLD ME I COULD 'EXPECT A FIGHTER INTERCEPT AT ANY MINUTE.' HE THEN TOLD ME THAT HE WOULD GIVE ME AN OPTION. HE COULD GIVE ME FLIGHT FOLLOWING, BUT I WOULD GET A SQUAWK CODE, AND IT WOULD IDENTIFY ME AND THEY MAY SUSPEND ME FOR 150 DAYS AUTOMATICALLY AND TAKE ANY RATINGS, OR, I COULD FLY VFR TO MY DESTINATION AND HE WOULD FORGET ALL ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. HE TOLD ME TO TALK TO MY INSTRUCTOR WHEN I GOT BACK. I THEN SAID I WOULD FLY VFR. I CONTINUED ON MY COURSE TO ZZZ2 AND ASKED A FREQUENCY FOR ZZZ1 APCH. I THEN CONTACTED ZZZ1 APCH AND ASKED FOR FLT FOLLOWING. I RECEIVED A SQUAWK CODE AND GOT THE FLT FOLLOWING. I CONTINUED ON MY FLT TO ZZZ2. I TALKED TO MY INSTRUCTOR WHILE FUELING. HE INSTRUCTED ME TO FLY BACK TO ZZZ BY TRACKING VOR'S DUE TO THE TIME OF DAY AND POSSIBILITY OF LOSS OF DAYLIGHT. I GOT BACK AND WE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WENT WRONG. WE CALLED THE 1-800-WX-BRIEF AND MADE UP A PLAN TO FOLLOW THE SAME RTE. THE BRIEFER GAVE ALL INFO ABOUT THE WX AND NOTAMS AND MORE. HE TOLD US TO 'STAY AWAY FROM THE RESTR/PROHIBITED AREA.' THE BRIEFER DID NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT AN EXTENSION OF THAT AIRSPACE. MY INSTRUCTOR THEN ASKED THE BRIEFER IF THERE WAS AN EXTENSION TO THAT SPECIFIC AIRSPACE, AND THE BRIEFER SEEMED UNSURE OF HIMSELF. MY INSTRUCTOR THEN ASKED ABOUT WHERE WOULD THE LNDG BE IF THERE WAS A MILITARY INTERCEPT AND THE BRIEFER DID NOT KNOW. AFTER CONSULTING WITH THE ASSISTANT CHIEF FLT INSTRUCTOR, HE WAS BAFFLED AS TO WHY NO ONE TOLD US ABOUT AN EXTENSION OF THIS AIRSPACE. SO HE CALLED 1-800-WX-BRIEF NUMBER AND ASKED WHERE A NOTAM WOULD BE PRINTED ABOUT THIS EXTENSION. THE BRIEFER TOLD HIM THAT 'IT IS NOT PUBLISHED ANYWHERE.' HE ASKED ABOUT PUBLICATION OF 4 MILE EXTENSION, AND ASKED THE BRIEFER IF THE BRIEFER WOULD GIVE THAT INFO WHEN CALLING FOR A BRIEFING. THE BRIEFER SAID THEY WOULD GIVE THE INFO ABOUT A 4 MILE EXTENSION. ON 3 OCCASIONS, WHEN CALLING FOR A BRIEFING, THAT 4 MILE EXTENSION INFO WAS NOT GIVEN. I WAS ONLY TOLD TO 'STAY AWAY.' HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO BE AWARE OF AND AVOID SOMETHING THAT I AM NOT TOLD ABOUT NOR DO I KNOW WHERE TO LOOK FOR THIS TYPE OF NOTAM, ETC. THE NEW SECTIONAL CHARTS DO NOT HAVE AN EXTENSION OF THAT AIRSPACE PRINTED ON THEM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.