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Attributes | |
ACN | 536792 |
Time | |
Date | 200202 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mem.airport |
State Reference | TN |
Altitude | msl single value : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zme.artcc tower : hwo.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zme.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 536792 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Company ATC Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While rolling onto the runway (runway 36) at mem, we (flight abcd) were given instructions to turn to a heading of 330 degrees. Our assigned altitude was 5000 ft. The aircraft which had just lifted off the same runway, which was also a B727, had been given the same heading (330 degrees) and initial altitude of 5000 ft. The flight number for that aircraft was abce. As I (the captain) began to level at 5000 ft, the first officer (operating the radio) responded to ZME, 'with our call sign,' a clearance to climb to 16000 ft. I called to the so for climb power and initiated the climb. Approaching 16000 ft, ZME transmitted flight abcd 'what's your altitude?' the first officer replied 'abcd approaching 6000 ft for 16000 ft.' ZME came back and said that clearance was flight abce. I immediately leveled at 6000 ft. ZME then transmitted to flight abce 'climb to 16000 ft,' at which time flight abce replied 'climbing to 16000 ft.' ZME then called us flight abcd and said 'you really should listen more carefully, continue your climb to 16000 ft.' the point is that flight abce and flight abcd were the same type aircraft with the same flight numbers (except for the last digit being one number off). Taking off (one right behind the other) on the same runway with identical clrncs to 5000 ft and on a heading of 330 degrees. Perhaps you can appreciate how this was a set-up for ATC or one or both of the crews to make a mistake. The fact is, my first officer responded to the climb clearance whereas the other flight did not. Please note: I did forward a flight safety report (anonymous) to my company with the same information and possible fix. That is perhaps a little more thought should be put into issuing flight numbers to aircraft departing at or near the same time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B727 CREW, DEPARTING MEM, RECEIVED, READ BACK, AND RESPONDED TO A CLB CLRNC FROM ATC, ONLY TO FIND OUT THE CLRNC WAS FOR ANOTHER ACFT.
Narrative: WHILE ROLLING ONTO THE RWY (RWY 36) AT MEM, WE (FLT ABCD) WERE GIVEN INSTRUCTIONS TO TURN TO A HDG OF 330 DEGS. OUR ASSIGNED ALT WAS 5000 FT. THE ACFT WHICH HAD JUST LIFTED OFF THE SAME RWY, WHICH WAS ALSO A B727, HAD BEEN GIVEN THE SAME HDG (330 DEGS) AND INITIAL ALT OF 5000 FT. THE FLT NUMBER FOR THAT ACFT WAS ABCE. AS I (THE CAPT) BEGAN TO LEVEL AT 5000 FT, THE FO (OPERATING THE RADIO) RESPONDED TO ZME, 'WITH OUR CALL SIGN,' A CLRNC TO CLB TO 16000 FT. I CALLED TO THE SO FOR CLB PWR AND INITIATED THE CLB. APCHING 16000 FT, ZME XMITTED FLT ABCD 'WHAT'S YOUR ALT?' THE FO REPLIED 'ABCD APCHING 6000 FT FOR 16000 FT.' ZME CAME BACK AND SAID THAT CLRNC WAS FLT ABCE. I IMMEDIATELY LEVELED AT 6000 FT. ZME THEN XMITTED TO FLT ABCE 'CLB TO 16000 FT,' AT WHICH TIME FLT ABCE REPLIED 'CLBING TO 16000 FT.' ZME THEN CALLED US FLT ABCD AND SAID 'YOU REALLY SHOULD LISTEN MORE CAREFULLY, CONTINUE YOUR CLB TO 16000 FT.' THE POINT IS THAT FLT ABCE AND FLT ABCD WERE THE SAME TYPE ACFT WITH THE SAME FLT NUMBERS (EXCEPT FOR THE LAST DIGIT BEING ONE NUMBER OFF). TAKING OFF (ONE RIGHT BEHIND THE OTHER) ON THE SAME RWY WITH IDENTICAL CLRNCS TO 5000 FT AND ON A HDG OF 330 DEGS. PERHAPS YOU CAN APPRECIATE HOW THIS WAS A SET-UP FOR ATC OR ONE OR BOTH OF THE CREWS TO MAKE A MISTAKE. THE FACT IS, MY FO RESPONDED TO THE CLB CLRNC WHEREAS THE OTHER FLT DID NOT. PLEASE NOTE: I DID FORWARD A FLT SAFETY RPT (ANONYMOUS) TO MY COMPANY WITH THE SAME INFO AND POSSIBLE FIX. THAT IS PERHAPS A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT SHOULD BE PUT INTO ISSUING FLT NUMBERS TO ACFT DEPARTING AT OR NEAR THE SAME TIME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.