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A CFI's report on a training flight and an altitude deviation stemming from poor levels of communication and WX related factors east of evv, in.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 537521 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200202 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : evv.airport |
| State Reference | IN |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Weather Elements | Ice |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : evv.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change cruise : level |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time total : 1480 flight time type : 350 |
| ASRS Report | 537521 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude altitude deviation : undershoot inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Weather Environmental Factor ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
In IMC, instructing a student, I requested a change in altitude from 6000 ft to 4000 ft. During the descent, we started to pick up ice. I requested a change in altitude back to 6000 ft. ATC was unable to understand my request. I continued to state our problem and finally changed to another frequency. During my exchange with ATC, the student had stopped the descent and started a climb back to 6000 ft without ATC approval. The cause of the problem was me being distraction and not noticing the student starting his climb. However, I also believe ATC should have changed our frequency before we reached that point in our course so as to allow better communications with our position.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CFI'S RPT ON A TRAINING FLT AND AN ALTDEV STEMMING FROM POOR LEVELS OF COM AND WX RELATED FACTORS E OF EVV, IN.
Narrative: IN IMC, INSTRUCTING A STUDENT, I REQUESTED A CHANGE IN ALT FROM 6000 FT TO 4000 FT. DURING THE DSCNT, WE STARTED TO PICK UP ICE. I REQUESTED A CHANGE IN ALT BACK TO 6000 FT. ATC WAS UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND MY REQUEST. I CONTINUED TO STATE OUR PROB AND FINALLY CHANGED TO ANOTHER FREQ. DURING MY EXCHANGE WITH ATC, THE STUDENT HAD STOPPED THE DSCNT AND STARTED A CLB BACK TO 6000 FT WITHOUT ATC APPROVAL. THE CAUSE OF THE PROB WAS ME BEING DISTR AND NOT NOTICING THE STUDENT STARTING HIS CLB. HOWEVER, I ALSO BELIEVE ATC SHOULD HAVE CHANGED OUR FREQ BEFORE WE REACHED THAT POINT IN OUR COURSE SO AS TO ALLOW BETTER COMS WITH OUR POS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.