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Attributes | |
ACN | 538201 |
Time | |
Date | 200201 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : hwo.airport |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl single value : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mia.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Beech 1900 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | other personnel other |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 900 |
ASRS Report | 538201 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : 3 |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 200 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was performing an instrument check ride with a student under the hood in the left seat, and another CFI in the rear right seat. We were following another C152 at the same altitude, about 3 mi ahead of us in the way to our practice area (15 mi west of hwo). The CFI in the back seat screamed 'watch-out' twice, followed by 'dive, dive...' at first I thought he meant watch out for the C152, but when he said to dive, I took control of the aircraft and cut the power and pushed it forward. Our butts immediately came off the seats, and as I started the maneuver, a beechcraft 1900 came from left to right at just about our same altitude. The beech appeared to be in a descending right turn. This all happened about 11 mi ssw of fll, which led me to believe that the aircraft was on an extended dog base leg into fll. (They should have been talking to ATC.) after we landed, I realized that the CFI in the back seat saw the aircraft before I did because his seat is a bit lower than the front seat during cruise. At the time he screamed 'watch-out,' I couldn't see it because the high wing was blocking my view. It is my feeling that the B1900 was talking to ATC, and maybe ATC pointed out traffic to them but they mistook us with the preceding C152. It is very common for ATC to bring big airplanes into fll at low altitudes when the cloud bases are low. In my opinion we never should have gotten that close. Doesn't that airplane have TCASII? We got so close that the CFI in the back seat recalls seeing a blond lady seating near the wing window seat.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C172 INSTRUCTOR SAFETY PLT GIVING AN INST CHK RIDE HAD NMAC WITH BE1900 ZMA CLASS E.
Narrative: I WAS PERFORMING AN INST CHK RIDE WITH A STUDENT UNDER THE HOOD IN THE L SEAT, AND ANOTHER CFI IN THE REAR R SEAT. WE WERE FOLLOWING ANOTHER C152 AT THE SAME ALT, ABOUT 3 MI AHEAD OF US IN THE WAY TO OUR PRACTICE AREA (15 MI W OF HWO). THE CFI IN THE BACK SEAT SCREAMED 'WATCH-OUT' TWICE, FOLLOWED BY 'DIVE, DIVE...' AT FIRST I THOUGHT HE MEANT WATCH OUT FOR THE C152, BUT WHEN HE SAID TO DIVE, I TOOK CTL OF THE ACFT AND CUT THE PWR AND PUSHED IT FORWARD. OUR BUTTS IMMEDIATELY CAME OFF THE SEATS, AND AS I STARTED THE MANEUVER, A BEECHCRAFT 1900 CAME FROM L TO R AT JUST ABOUT OUR SAME ALT. THE BEECH APPEARED TO BE IN A DSNDING R TURN. THIS ALL HAPPENED ABOUT 11 MI SSW OF FLL, WHICH LED ME TO BELIEVE THAT THE ACFT WAS ON AN EXTENDED DOG BASE LEG INTO FLL. (THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN TALKING TO ATC.) AFTER WE LANDED, I REALIZED THAT THE CFI IN THE BACK SEAT SAW THE ACFT BEFORE I DID BECAUSE HIS SEAT IS A BIT LOWER THAN THE FRONT SEAT DURING CRUISE. AT THE TIME HE SCREAMED 'WATCH-OUT,' I COULDN'T SEE IT BECAUSE THE HIGH WING WAS BLOCKING MY VIEW. IT IS MY FEELING THAT THE B1900 WAS TALKING TO ATC, AND MAYBE ATC POINTED OUT TFC TO THEM BUT THEY MISTOOK US WITH THE PRECEDING C152. IT IS VERY COMMON FOR ATC TO BRING BIG AIRPLANES INTO FLL AT LOW ALTS WHEN THE CLOUD BASES ARE LOW. IN MY OPINION WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT CLOSE. DOESN'T THAT AIRPLANE HAVE TCASII? WE GOT SO CLOSE THAT THE CFI IN THE BACK SEAT RECALLS SEEING A BLOND LADY SEATING NEAR THE WING WINDOW SEAT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.