D01 controller argues with CL60 flight crew regarding turns and speed when departing apa airport.

Attributes
ACN	539092
Time
Date	200202
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : apa.airport
State Reference	CO
Altitude	msl single value : 8000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : d01.tracon
Operator	common carrier : air taxi
Make Model Name	Challenger CL604
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 135
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure sid : pikes two
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : multi engine
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5300 flight time type : 500
ASRS Report	539092
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other other : 4
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	faa : investigated faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance

Narrative:

On departure from apa airport, pikes 2 departure, climbing to 8000 ft on a runway heading (350 degree heading). After making contact with den departure we were assigned a heading of 090 degrees, then heading 140 degrees at which time we were told by the controller to expedite (we were heavy and could not exceed 30 degrees of bank). We turned at an angle of 30 degrees maintaining 250 KIAS, and advised the controller that we could not exceed 30 degrees of bank in the turn and we were doing what we could to expedite the turn. At this time, the controller gave us an immediate turn to 270 degree heading and re-emphasized to expedite. We once again advised the controller that we could not exceed 30 degrees of bank. The controller replied by saying 'that was totally unacceptable' and mentioned that we were doing 320 KTS over the ground. Regardless of ground speed, we never exceeded 250 KIAS under 10000 ft. When we told him that we never exceeded 250 KIAS, he replied with 'we'll see about that.' then the controller gave us a clearance to climb to 9000 ft. The controller told us to call the center upon arrival at destination. Immediately after copying the number, he instructed us to maintain 8000 ft, after he had cleared us to climb to 9000 ft. As soon as our duties in the cockpit allowed us, we called ZDV. The other pilot spoke to the supervisor who said that the controller was just concerned about us going into denver international arrival airspace, but all we did was adhere to all the headings and altitudes assigned to us by the controller, in compliance with airspds.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: D01 CTLR ARGUES WITH CL60 FLC REGARDING TURNS AND SPD WHEN DEPARTING APA ARPT.

Narrative: ON DEP FROM APA ARPT, PIKES 2 DEP, CLBING TO 8000 FT ON A RWY HDG (350 DEG HDG). AFTER MAKING CONTACT WITH DEN DEP WE WERE ASSIGNED A HDG OF 090 DEGS, THEN HDG 140 DEGS AT WHICH TIME WE WERE TOLD BY THE CTLR TO EXPEDITE (WE WERE HVY AND COULD NOT EXCEED 30 DEGS OF BANK). WE TURNED AT AN ANGLE OF 30 DEGS MAINTAINING 250 KIAS, AND ADVISED THE CTLR THAT WE COULD NOT EXCEED 30 DEGS OF BANK IN THE TURN AND WE WERE DOING WHAT WE COULD TO EXPEDITE THE TURN. AT THIS TIME, THE CTLR GAVE US AN IMMEDIATE TURN TO 270 DEG HDG AND RE-EMPHASIZED TO EXPEDITE. WE ONCE AGAIN ADVISED THE CTLR THAT WE COULD NOT EXCEED 30 DEGS OF BANK. THE CTLR REPLIED BY SAYING 'THAT WAS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE' AND MENTIONED THAT WE WERE DOING 320 KTS OVER THE GND. REGARDLESS OF GND SPD, WE NEVER EXCEEDED 250 KIAS UNDER 10000 FT. WHEN WE TOLD HIM THAT WE NEVER EXCEEDED 250 KIAS, HE REPLIED WITH 'WE'LL SEE ABOUT THAT.' THEN THE CTLR GAVE US A CLRNC TO CLIMB TO 9000 FT. THE CTLR TOLD US TO CALL THE CTR UPON ARR AT DEST. IMMEDIATELY AFTER COPYING THE NUMBER, HE INSTRUCTED US TO MAINTAIN 8000 FT, AFTER HE HAD CLRED US TO CLB TO 9000 FT. AS SOON AS OUR DUTIES IN THE COCKPIT ALLOWED US, WE CALLED ZDV. THE OTHER PLT SPOKE TO THE SUPVR WHO SAID THAT THE CTLR WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT US GOING INTO DENVER INTL ARR AIRSPACE, BUT ALL WE DID WAS ADHERE TO ALL THE HDGS AND ALTS ASSIGNED TO US BY THE CTLR, IN COMPLIANCE WITH AIRSPDS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.