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Attributes | |
ACN | 539577 |
Time | |
Date | 200203 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : dylin |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 9800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Weather Elements | Rain |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc tower : mci.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : dylin |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 539577 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : clearance non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Weather Environmental Factor Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were descending via dylin 1 arrival in a B737-800 with speed brake restr (not over 300 KTS). ATC kept us high with a speed of 310 KTS or greater. We told them we may not be able to make altitude restrs on STAR. We made all but the last one. We were at 9800 ft at dylin, not 8000 ft as there was a tailwind of 80+ KTS at 8000 ft. Controllers should know B737-800 limitations and, with large tailwinds, the potential for altitude busts on the SID. Impossible for this airplane to do the SID in today's conditions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737-800, DSNDING INTO EWR, OVERSHOT A STAR XING RESTR.
Narrative: WE WERE DSNDING VIA DYLIN 1 ARR IN A B737-800 WITH SPD BRAKE RESTR (NOT OVER 300 KTS). ATC KEPT US HIGH WITH A SPD OF 310 KTS OR GREATER. WE TOLD THEM WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE ALT RESTRS ON STAR. WE MADE ALL BUT THE LAST ONE. WE WERE AT 9800 FT AT DYLIN, NOT 8000 FT AS THERE WAS A TAILWIND OF 80+ KTS AT 8000 FT. CTLRS SHOULD KNOW B737-800 LIMITATIONS AND, WITH LARGE TAILWINDS, THE POTENTIAL FOR ALT BUSTS ON THE SID. IMPOSSIBLE FOR THIS AIRPLANE TO DO THE SID IN TODAY'S CONDITIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.