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Lax local controller reproves A320 flight crew for not initiating takeoff immediately following an SF34 off runway 25R, issuing a taxi clear of runway for another taxiing aircraft.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 539598 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200202 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | A320 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower |
| Make Model Name | Saab-Scania Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 539598 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airport |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
After having positioned and held on runway 25R at lax, I was cleared to take off as a saab 340 was 1/2 way down the runway. He had been cleared to take off from taxiway F on runway 25R. I hesitated a few seconds, and when I saw his rotation, I released the brakes and started to set takeoff power. Just before getting to the flex detent, tower canceled my takeoff clearance and said I wasn't fast enough. He needed to cross an aircraft holding between the runways. He (tower) asked if we could take off from where we were. The first officer and I discussed it, and agreed that since 'oe' flex temperature was for intersection F, and that we had stopped short of intersection F, that we could take off from there safely. Tower said it was his fault and he was sorry for the situation (or something like that). I hadn't rolled far as we were about 100-200 ft from taxiway F and had reached 20 KTS or so. I used light braking to stop. Brake temperatures were 110 degrees and less. While waiting, I made a PA announcement explaining the situation. We were then cleared for takeoff uneventfully.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LAX LCL CTLR REPROVES A320 FLC FOR NOT INITIATING TKOF IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING AN SF34 OFF RWY 25R, ISSUING A TAXI CLR OF RWY FOR ANOTHER TAXIING ACFT.
Narrative: AFTER HAVING POSITIONED AND HELD ON RWY 25R AT LAX, I WAS CLRED TO TAKE OFF AS A SAAB 340 WAS 1/2 WAY DOWN THE RWY. HE HAD BEEN CLRED TO TAKE OFF FROM TXWY F ON RWY 25R. I HESITATED A FEW SECONDS, AND WHEN I SAW HIS ROTATION, I RELEASED THE BRAKES AND STARTED TO SET TKOF PWR. JUST BEFORE GETTING TO THE FLEX DETENT, TWR CANCELED MY TKOF CLRNC AND SAID I WASN'T FAST ENOUGH. HE NEEDED TO CROSS AN ACFT HOLDING BTWN THE RWYS. HE (TWR) ASKED IF WE COULD TAKE OFF FROM WHERE WE WERE. THE FO AND I DISCUSSED IT, AND AGREED THAT SINCE 'OE' FLEX TEMP WAS FOR INTXN F, AND THAT WE HAD STOPPED SHORT OF INTXN F, THAT WE COULD TAKE OFF FROM THERE SAFELY. TWR SAID IT WAS HIS FAULT AND HE WAS SORRY FOR THE SIT (OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT). I HADN'T ROLLED FAR AS WE WERE ABOUT 100-200 FT FROM TXWY F AND HAD REACHED 20 KTS OR SO. I USED LIGHT BRAKING TO STOP. BRAKE TEMPS WERE 110 DEGS AND LESS. WHILE WAITING, I MADE A PA ANNOUNCEMENT EXPLAINING THE SIT. WE WERE THEN CLRED FOR TKOF UNEVENTFULLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.