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Attributes | |
ACN | 539659 |
Time | |
Date | 200203 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : bdl.vortac |
State Reference | CT |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 15000 msl bound upper : 16000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : charter |
Make Model Name | Cessna Citation Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : charter |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 3100 flight time type : 350 |
ASRS Report | 539659 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : charter |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne critical non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other flight crewa other flight crewb other other : 3 |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action none taken : anomaly accepted |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1800 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
Conditions: VMC good visibility. Flight was cleared direct to manta intersection with blm as destination. We were advised by ZBW of an air carrier Y aircraft and cleared to climb after identing aircraft with our own visual separation. PIC pilot began climb with visual separation from converging angles (air carrier Y with air carrier Y). The converging angles appeared safe for a climb from 15000 ft to FL230. PIC began climb to about 200 ft above original altitude then received tcasi resolution to stop climb and descended back to original altitude 15000 ft, immediately thus resolving the RA with air carrier Y with the original 1000 ft clearance. 1) problem: converging angles of fast moving aircraft. 2) bright sunshine (difficult to see in glare). 3) TCASII alerted problem. 4) TCASII advised descent for action. Supplemental information from acn 539823: the error I feel was caused by my inaccurate assessment of the convergence rate and speed of the aircraft Y aircraft. As a safety issue, I feel that to have given me a visual separation restr climb, on converging aircraft was ill-advised. Supplemental information from acn 539660: while in cruise on airways inbound to bdl at 16000 ft MSL, ZBW advised us of citation traffic at 2 O'clock position and 10 mi converging at 15000 ft. We had the target on TCASII and finally picked up the traffic at approximately 5 mi and reported the traffic in sight to center. Center then asked the citation to report us in sight. The citation reported us in sight and was given a clearance to maintain visual separation and climb to FL280. The citation acknowledged and maintained 15000 ft until approximately 2-3 mi at our 1 O'clock position. He then commenced a climb, which set off at TCASII TA which was immediately followed by an RA commanding us to climb. We commenced an immediate climb as the cockpit TCASII display on our mas screen showed the citation closing to within 500 ft. At this point a right turn was also initiated with TCASII showing us closing to 300 ft or less of vertical separation and our estimating less than 1 mi of horizontal separation. TCASII finally had us monitor vertical speed, and cleared of conflict at approximately 16800 ft MSL. Callback conversation with reporter acn 539659 revealed the following information: reporter said he was not comfortable with the clearance and advised the captain that he didn't think it was a good idea. He said they were at mach .72 at the time. The first officer said the captain had a brief conversation with the center later and discussed the TCASII event.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZBW ARTCC CTLR ISSUES A VISUAL SEPARATION CLB TO A CITATION JET BELOW A B737 FLT THAT IS ON A CONVERGING COURSE.
Narrative: CONDITIONS: VMC GOOD VISIBILITY. FLT WAS CLRED DIRECT TO MANTA INTXN WITH BLM AS DEST. WE WERE ADVISED BY ZBW OF AN ACR Y ACFT AND CLRED TO CLB AFTER IDENTING ACFT WITH OUR OWN VISUAL SEPARATION. PIC PLT BEGAN CLB WITH VISUAL SEPARATION FROM CONVERGING ANGLES (ACR Y WITH ACR Y). THE CONVERGING ANGLES APPEARED SAFE FOR A CLB FROM 15000 FT TO FL230. PIC BEGAN CLB TO ABOUT 200 FT ABOVE ORIGINAL ALT THEN RECEIVED TCASI RESOLUTION TO STOP CLB AND DSNDED BACK TO ORIGINAL ALT 15000 FT, IMMEDIATELY THUS RESOLVING THE RA WITH ACR Y WITH THE ORIGINAL 1000 FT CLRNC. 1) PROB: CONVERGING ANGLES OF FAST MOVING ACFT. 2) BRIGHT SUNSHINE (DIFFICULT TO SEE IN GLARE). 3) TCASII ALERTED PROB. 4) TCASII ADVISED DSCNT FOR ACTION. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 539823: THE ERROR I FEEL WAS CAUSED BY MY INACCURATE ASSESSMENT OF THE CONVERGENCE RATE AND SPD OF THE ACFT Y ACFT. AS A SAFETY ISSUE, I FEEL THAT TO HAVE GIVEN ME A VISUAL SEPARATION RESTR CLB, ON CONVERGING ACFT WAS ILL-ADVISED. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 539660: WHILE IN CRUISE ON AIRWAYS INBOUND TO BDL AT 16000 FT MSL, ZBW ADVISED US OF CITATION TFC AT 2 O'CLOCK POS AND 10 MI CONVERGING AT 15000 FT. WE HAD THE TARGET ON TCASII AND FINALLY PICKED UP THE TFC AT APPROX 5 MI AND RPTED THE TFC IN SIGHT TO CTR. CTR THEN ASKED THE CITATION TO RPT US IN SIGHT. THE CITATION RPTED US IN SIGHT AND WAS GIVEN A CLRNC TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION AND CLB TO FL280. THE CITATION ACKNOWLEDGED AND MAINTAINED 15000 FT UNTIL APPROX 2-3 MI AT OUR 1 O'CLOCK POS. HE THEN COMMENCED A CLB, WHICH SET OFF AT TCASII TA WHICH WAS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWED BY AN RA COMMANDING US TO CLB. WE COMMENCED AN IMMEDIATE CLB AS THE COCKPIT TCASII DISPLAY ON OUR MAS SCREEN SHOWED THE CITATION CLOSING TO WITHIN 500 FT. AT THIS POINT A R TURN WAS ALSO INITIATED WITH TCASII SHOWING US CLOSING TO 300 FT OR LESS OF VERT SEPARATION AND OUR ESTIMATING LESS THAN 1 MI OF HORIZ SEPARATION. TCASII FINALLY HAD US MONITOR VERT SPD, AND CLRED OF CONFLICT AT APPROX 16800 FT MSL. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR ACN 539659 REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR SAID HE WAS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE CLRNC AND ADVISED THE CAPT THAT HE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. HE SAID THEY WERE AT MACH .72 AT THE TIME. THE FO SAID THE CAPT HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH THE CTR LATER AND DISCUSSED THE TCASII EVENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.