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B737 believe they had received a clearance to taxi into position and hold but became confused when the controller stated to hold position.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 540411 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200203 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mco.airport |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : mco.tower |
| Operator | Other |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | other : ns |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 540411 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was confirming that the safety video was done, when I heard (that we were) cleared into position and hold, and I definitely heard the first officer repeat that back without any counter back from tower. I noted that there was final traffic, but far away, and I expected an immediate takeoff clearance (and was wondering why ATC likes to put us into hold. I prefer a rolling takeoff which allows more energy). Instead, tower stated that we were not supposed to be on the runway but were supposed to have 'hold position' (ie, hold short). Tower then told us to remain on the runway and said words to the effect that we were not in danger holding on the runway. We were then cleared for takeoff. Tower was very professional. Consider the difference in the order of the same words -- 'hold position' versus 'position and hold.' I have to look up hold short and its use.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 BELIEVE THEY HAD RECEIVED A CLRNC TO TAXI INTO POS AND HOLD BUT BECAME CONFUSED WHEN THE CTLR STATED TO HOLD POS.
Narrative: I WAS CONFIRMING THAT THE SAFETY VIDEO WAS DONE, WHEN I HEARD (THAT WE WERE) CLRED INTO POS AND HOLD, AND I DEFINITELY HEARD THE FO REPEAT THAT BACK WITHOUT ANY COUNTER BACK FROM TWR. I NOTED THAT THERE WAS FINAL TFC, BUT FAR AWAY, AND I EXPECTED AN IMMEDIATE TKOF CLRNC (AND WAS WONDERING WHY ATC LIKES TO PUT US INTO HOLD. I PREFER A ROLLING TKOF WHICH ALLOWS MORE ENERGY). INSTEAD, TWR STATED THAT WE WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE RWY BUT WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE 'HOLD POS' (IE, HOLD SHORT). TWR THEN TOLD US TO REMAIN ON THE RWY AND SAID WORDS TO THE EFFECT THAT WE WERE NOT IN DANGER HOLDING ON THE RWY. WE WERE THEN CLRED FOR TKOF. TWR WAS VERY PROFESSIONAL. CONSIDER THE DIFFERENCE IN THE ORDER OF THE SAME WORDS -- 'HOLD POS' VERSUS 'POS AND HOLD.' I HAVE TO LOOK UP HOLD SHORT AND ITS USE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.