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Attributes | |
ACN | 541649 |
Time | |
Date | 200203 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sjc.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : jfk.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-700 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 541649 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 25000 flight time type : 12500 |
ASRS Report | 541971 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On taxi out, ground cleared us to (from gate xx) 'make a right on taxiway H, cross taxiway Y and back-taxi on runway 30R until I advise when to turn off.' as we back taxied on runway 30R, ground advised us to 'turn left on next intersection taxi on taxiway Y and hold short of runway 30R.' the captain complied when we got to taxiway B he kept taxiing to cross runway 30R. I said, 'hey where are you going?' he responded by saying 'when you're cleared to runway 30L, you're cleared all the way.' I said ok and questioned if we were cleared to runway 30L or runway 30R. I then thought I must have heard wrong. On the other side of taxiway B and holding short of runway 30L, tower asked if we crossed runway 30R. I answered yes. He cleared us for takeoff on runway 30L. We asked if we should contact him. He replied no. I feel I should have been more inquisitive in the captain's decision. It never hurts to ask ground for verification. Supplemental information from acn 541971: while taxiing to runway 30L for departure at sjc, I crossed runway 30R. Tower called and asked if we just crossed runway 30R. I said yes and that I thought ground had cleared us to runway 30L. Approaching runway 30R, the first officer questioned me about entering. I thought he was asking if it was ok to cross runway 30R on the way to runway 30L. He was really asking if we had been cleared 'on to hold' and he missed it. I told him we were cleared, thinking it was like earlier, when we crossed taxiway Y. In the future, I'll pay even more attention to clrncs. I'll repeat all hold short instructions out loud and use my techniques every time. I will stop rather than slow down if either pilot has a question about our clearance. I'll ask the controller to repeat the instructions if they are so lengthy or complicated that we're not absolutely sure of the controller's intentions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737 FLT CREW, TAXIING FOR TKOF AT SJC, CROSSED RWY 30R WITHOUT CLRNC.
Narrative: ON TAXI OUT, GND CLRED US TO (FROM GATE XX) 'MAKE A R ON TXWY H, CROSS TXWY Y AND BACK-TAXI ON RWY 30R UNTIL I ADVISE WHEN TO TURN OFF.' AS WE BACK TAXIED ON RWY 30R, GND ADVISED US TO 'TURN L ON NEXT INTXN TAXI ON TXWY Y AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 30R.' THE CAPT COMPLIED WHEN WE GOT TO TXWY B HE KEPT TAXIING TO CROSS RWY 30R. I SAID, 'HEY WHERE ARE YOU GOING?' HE RESPONDED BY SAYING 'WHEN YOU'RE CLRED TO RWY 30L, YOU'RE CLRED ALL THE WAY.' I SAID OK AND QUESTIONED IF WE WERE CLRED TO RWY 30L OR RWY 30R. I THEN THOUGHT I MUST HAVE HEARD WRONG. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TXWY B AND HOLDING SHORT OF RWY 30L, TWR ASKED IF WE CROSSED RWY 30R. I ANSWERED YES. HE CLRED US FOR TKOF ON RWY 30L. WE ASKED IF WE SHOULD CONTACT HIM. HE REPLIED NO. I FEEL I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE INQUISITIVE IN THE CAPT'S DECISION. IT NEVER HURTS TO ASK GND FOR VERIFICATION. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 541971: WHILE TAXIING TO RWY 30L FOR DEP AT SJC, I CROSSED RWY 30R. TWR CALLED AND ASKED IF WE JUST CROSSED RWY 30R. I SAID YES AND THAT I THOUGHT GND HAD CLRED US TO RWY 30L. APCHING RWY 30R, THE FO QUESTIONED ME ABOUT ENTERING. I THOUGHT HE WAS ASKING IF IT WAS OK TO CROSS RWY 30R ON THE WAY TO RWY 30L. HE WAS REALLY ASKING IF WE HAD BEEN CLRED 'ON TO HOLD' AND HE MISSED IT. I TOLD HIM WE WERE CLRED, THINKING IT WAS LIKE EARLIER, WHEN WE CROSSED TXWY Y. IN THE FUTURE, I'LL PAY EVEN MORE ATTN TO CLRNCS. I'LL REPEAT ALL HOLD SHORT INSTRUCTIONS OUT LOUD AND USE MY TECHNIQUES EVERY TIME. I WILL STOP RATHER THAN SLOW DOWN IF EITHER PLT HAS A QUESTION ABOUT OUR CLRNC. I'LL ASK THE CTLR TO REPEAT THE INSTRUCTIONS IF THEY ARE SO LENGTHY OR COMPLICATED THAT WE'RE NOT ABSOLUTELY SURE OF THE CTLR'S INTENTIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.