The flight crew of a C560 cpr jet crosses the ILS hold short line of orf, va.

Attributes
ACN	542083
Time
Date	200203
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : orf.airport
State Reference	VA
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Citation V
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground : holding
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 1500
ASRS Report	542083
Person 2
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Weather Airport
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation
Situations
Airport	markings : orf.airport
Chart	airport : orf.airport

Narrative:

During taxi to runway 4 at orf, our aircraft crossed the ILS critical hold line. We had been given instructions to taxi to runway 4 but hold short of the ILS critical area. The mistake was definitely the fault of the crew for crossing into the area, however, this mistake was due in part to an unusually far distance between the ILS hold line and the runway threshold. We, as a crew, had not experienced an ILS hold line so far from the runway threshold. We crossed the ILS hold line almost immediately after leaving the ramp because we did not expect the hold line to be so close, we were not looking for it yet. As I stated earlier, this was my fault. It would have been helpful if the ATC ground controller at orf had pointed out to us that the hold short line was closer to our present position. A clearance such as 'taxi via taxiway J to the ILS hold short' may also have alerted us to the hold's unusual location.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: THE FLC OF A C560 CPR JET CROSSES THE ILS HOLD SHORT LINE OF ORF, VA.

Narrative: DURING TAXI TO RWY 4 AT ORF, OUR ACFT CROSSED THE ILS CRITICAL HOLD LINE. WE HAD BEEN GIVEN INSTRUCTIONS TO TAXI TO RWY 4 BUT HOLD SHORT OF THE ILS CRITICAL AREA. THE MISTAKE WAS DEFINITELY THE FAULT OF THE CREW FOR XING INTO THE AREA, HOWEVER, THIS MISTAKE WAS DUE IN PART TO AN UNUSUALLY FAR DISTANCE BTWN THE ILS HOLD LINE AND THE RWY THRESHOLD. WE, AS A CREW, HAD NOT EXPERIENCED AN ILS HOLD LINE SO FAR FROM THE RWY THRESHOLD. WE CROSSED THE ILS HOLD LINE ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AFTER LEAVING THE RAMP BECAUSE WE DID NOT EXPECT THE HOLD LINE TO BE SO CLOSE, WE WERE NOT LOOKING FOR IT YET. AS I STATED EARLIER, THIS WAS MY FAULT. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL IF THE ATC GND CTLR AT ORF HAD POINTED OUT TO US THAT THE HOLD SHORT LINE WAS CLOSER TO OUR PRESENT POS. A CLRNC SUCH AS 'TAXI VIA TXWY J TO THE ILS HOLD SHORT' MAY ALSO HAVE ALERTED US TO THE HOLD'S UNUSUAL LOCATION.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.