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C210 pilot receives several ATC warnings regarding class B airspace while flying outside the lateral and vertical boundaries of the airspace.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 542659 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200203 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : pie.vortac |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl single value : 1000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : tpa.tracon tower : dtw.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Cessna 210 Centurion / Turbo Centurion 210C, 210D |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 15 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 300 |
| ASRS Report | 542659 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | observation : passenger |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : gps other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were on a VFR flight from apf to lee. We departed apf and indicated to the tower that we would like to proceed northbound a couple of mi off the coast at 1000 ft. Apf tower provided some TA's and handed us off to rsw approach for further VFR advisories. We made the same request of rsw approach and continued northbound along the coast at 1000 ft. As we approached srq, we contacted tpa approach and again made the same request to continue northbound off the coast until well north of tpa class B airspace. We were provided a transponder code and asked to remain clear of class B airspace. As we approached the tpa class B airspace we consulted a tpa/orl VFR terminal area chart, and 2 independent GPS moving map system. Our route appeared clearly out of class B airspace since we were to continue to fly a couple of mi off the coast at 1000 ft. However, during our flight along this route we received several warnings from tpa approach to remain clear of class B airspace and one vector. When asking ATC for the reasons of these warnings and the vector, they responded that we had not violated the class B airspace but were in the proximity and they just wanted to make sure that we would not violate the airspace. Our remaining flight went without incident. While we certainly appreciate the controller's efforts to keep us out of class B airspace, the continuous admonitions served only to confuse us. According to our information, we were at all times well clear of class B airspace and the continuous implications that we were encroaching on the class B airspace served only to make us question the accuracy of our chart and our equipment. Also, if encroachment on class B airspace was such a great concern, and since they had us tagged and idented and were in constant communications with us, why not just issue a clearance into class B airspace and avoid all the frequency congestion?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C210 PLT RECEIVES SEVERAL ATC WARNINGS REGARDING CLASS B AIRSPACE WHILE FLYING OUTSIDE THE LATERAL AND VERT BOUNDARIES OF THE AIRSPACE.
Narrative: WE WERE ON A VFR FLT FROM APF TO LEE. WE DEPARTED APF AND INDICATED TO THE TWR THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED NBOUND A COUPLE OF MI OFF THE COAST AT 1000 FT. APF TWR PROVIDED SOME TA'S AND HANDED US OFF TO RSW APCH FOR FURTHER VFR ADVISORIES. WE MADE THE SAME REQUEST OF RSW APCH AND CONTINUED NBOUND ALONG THE COAST AT 1000 FT. AS WE APCHED SRQ, WE CONTACTED TPA APCH AND AGAIN MADE THE SAME REQUEST TO CONTINUE NBOUND OFF THE COAST UNTIL WELL N OF TPA CLASS B AIRSPACE. WE WERE PROVIDED A XPONDER CODE AND ASKED TO REMAIN CLR OF CLASS B AIRSPACE. AS WE APCHED THE TPA CLASS B AIRSPACE WE CONSULTED A TPA/ORL VFR TERMINAL AREA CHART, AND 2 INDEPENDENT GPS MOVING MAP SYS. OUR RTE APPEARED CLRLY OUT OF CLASS B AIRSPACE SINCE WE WERE TO CONTINUE TO FLY A COUPLE OF MI OFF THE COAST AT 1000 FT. HOWEVER, DURING OUR FLT ALONG THIS RTE WE RECEIVED SEVERAL WARNINGS FROM TPA APCH TO REMAIN CLR OF CLASS B AIRSPACE AND ONE VECTOR. WHEN ASKING ATC FOR THE REASONS OF THESE WARNINGS AND THE VECTOR, THEY RESPONDED THAT WE HAD NOT VIOLATED THE CLASS B AIRSPACE BUT WERE IN THE PROX AND THEY JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WOULD NOT VIOLATE THE AIRSPACE. OUR REMAINING FLT WENT WITHOUT INCIDENT. WHILE WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE CTLR'S EFFORTS TO KEEP US OUT OF CLASS B AIRSPACE, THE CONTINUOUS ADMONITIONS SERVED ONLY TO CONFUSE US. ACCORDING TO OUR INFO, WE WERE AT ALL TIMES WELL CLR OF CLASS B AIRSPACE AND THE CONTINUOUS IMPLICATIONS THAT WE WERE ENCROACHING ON THE CLASS B AIRSPACE SERVED ONLY TO MAKE US QUESTION THE ACCURACY OF OUR CHART AND OUR EQUIP. ALSO, IF ENCROACHMENT ON CLASS B AIRSPACE WAS SUCH A GREAT CONCERN, AND SINCE THEY HAD US TAGGED AND IDENTED AND WERE IN CONSTANT COMS WITH US, WHY NOT JUST ISSUE A CLRNC INTO CLASS B AIRSPACE AND AVOID ALL THE FREQ CONGESTION?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.