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Attributes | |
ACN | 543333 |
Time | |
Date | 200204 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zjx.artcc |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl single value : 25000 |
Environment | |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx.artcc tower : lfpg.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
ASRS Report | 543333 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 543334 |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : wx radar other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : zjx.artcc |
Narrative:
Unable ATC vectors due to developing convective WX so we advised ATC what our only safe heading would be. They said they could not approve it and asked that we squawk 7700. We navigated around WX without further incident and were eventually given another code. Supplementary information from acn 543334: we kept asking for alternative vectors. They kept saying unable and we decided we needed to go 090 and they said unable again and we said we need to go 090. Then center said squawk 7700 which we did and got around the storm toward the east and went into mco without further problem. Didn't think the gap they were trying to force us thru was wide enough. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: PIC advised he had no problem in changing the squawk to 7700, because he declared an emergency with ATC anyway. The captain advised that company policy is to proceed no closer than 20 miles to this type frontal activity. He had gone as far in the 'box' as he could before emergency actions were required, which he exercised. He has had no feedback from company or ATC.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 FLC ADVISES UNABLE ZJX TURN DUE TO WX. ZJX ADVISES SQUAWK 7700 AND FLC DEVIATES THROUGH WX SYS.
Narrative: UNABLE ATC VECTORS DUE TO DEVELOPING CONVECTIVE WX SO WE ADVISED ATC WHAT OUR ONLY SAFE HEADING WOULD BE. THEY SAID THEY COULD NOT APPROVE IT AND ASKED THAT WE SQUAWK 7700. WE NAVIGATED AROUND WX WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT AND WERE EVENTUALLY GIVEN ANOTHER CODE. SUPPLEMENTARY INFO FROM ACN 543334: WE KEPT ASKING FOR ALTERNATIVE VECTORS. THEY KEPT SAYING UNABLE AND WE DECIDED WE NEEDED TO GO 090 AND THEY SAID UNABLE AGAIN AND WE SAID WE NEED TO GO 090. THEN CENTER SAID SQUAWK 7700 WHICH WE DID AND GOT AROUND THE STORM TOWARD THE E AND WENT INTO MCO WITHOUT FURTHER PROB. DIDN'T THINK THE GAP THEY WERE TRYING TO FORCE US THRU WAS WIDE ENOUGH. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: PIC ADVISED HE HAD NO PROB IN CHANGING THE SQUAWK TO 7700, BECAUSE HE DECLARED AN EMER WITH ATC ANYWAY. THE CAPT ADVISED THAT COMPANY POLICY IS TO PROCEED NO CLOSER THAN 20 MILES TO THIS TYPE FRONTAL ACTIVITY. HE HAD GONE AS FAR IN THE 'BOX' AS HE COULD BEFORE EMER ACTIONS WERE REQUIRED, WHICH HE EXERCISED. HE HAS HAD NO FEEDBACK FROM COMPANY OR ATC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.