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Attributes | |
ACN | 543456 |
Time | |
Date | 200204 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sfo.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 6000 |
Environment | |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : o90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B777 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time type : 1630 |
ASRS Report | 543456 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport Aircraft ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : o90.tracon |
Narrative:
I perceive that ATC made it a precondition that I would call the visual before ATC would put me in the 'pattern.' in fact, because I asked for the 'stagger,' he was not going to sequence me until the bank (approximately 15 planes most of which had arrived in the area after me) had been svced. Such intimidation does not promote safe operation. I told ATC to 'pull the tapes.' I am surprised by ATC because 10 days earlier, they told me to avoid extended delay vectors arising from a 'negative side-by-side' request, request a 'stagger.' I did just that tonight and still go the 'run-around.' recommend: define 'stagger' and 'negative side-by-side' and establish written procedure respecting both.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B777 FLC CHALLENGES O90 SEQUENCING TO SFO RWY 28 BECAUSE OF THEIR REQUEST FOR SEQUENCING 'STAGGER' AND 'NEGATIVE SIDE-BY-SIDE' APCH.
Narrative: I PERCEIVE THAT ATC MADE IT A PRECONDITION THAT I WOULD CALL THE VISUAL BEFORE ATC WOULD PUT ME IN THE 'PATTERN.' IN FACT, BECAUSE I ASKED FOR THE 'STAGGER,' HE WAS NOT GOING TO SEQUENCE ME UNTIL THE BANK (APPROX 15 PLANES MOST OF WHICH HAD ARRIVED IN THE AREA AFTER ME) HAD BEEN SVCED. SUCH INTIMIDATION DOES NOT PROMOTE SAFE OP. I TOLD ATC TO 'PULL THE TAPES.' I AM SURPRISED BY ATC BECAUSE 10 DAYS EARLIER, THEY TOLD ME TO AVOID EXTENDED DELAY VECTORS ARISING FROM A 'NEGATIVE SIDE-BY-SIDE' REQUEST, REQUEST A 'STAGGER.' I DID JUST THAT TONIGHT AND STILL GO THE 'RUN-AROUND.' RECOMMEND: DEFINE 'STAGGER' AND 'NEGATIVE SIDE-BY-SIDE' AND ESTABLISH WRITTEN PROC RESPECTING BOTH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.