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Attributes | |
ACN | 544768 |
Time | |
Date | 200204 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : phl.airport |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : phl.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 544768 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : phl.tracon |
Narrative:
Phl airport-we received an approach clearance that was partially blocked by another aircraft radio call. We readback the clearance with 'confirm'. Controller did not respond, so we asked him to repeat the clearance again, no response. We asked 'please confirm' with our call sign and the clearance we believed to have received. The controller responded with 'yes,' very loudly and nothing else. A few seconds later, he told us to contact tower and we completed the flight uneventfully. The airport was very busy, but without controller responsibility to correct readbacks I believe this is an unprofessional attitude. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter has not returned to phl since his incidence. In discussions with other pilots who transient phl, the reporter alleges that they also have had similar occurrences. The reporter advised that he believes that since 'controllers don't have to correct readbacks anymore', he must make absolutely sure that clrncs are correctly understood.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CAPT CHALLENGES PHL APCH CTLR NUMEROUS TIMES TO VERIFY CLRNC.
Narrative: PHL ARPT-WE RECEIVED AN APCH CLRNC THAT WAS PARTIALLY BLOCKED BY ANOTHER ACFT RADIO CALL. WE READBACK THE CLRNC WITH 'CONFIRM'. CTLR DID NOT RESPOND, SO WE ASKED HIM TO REPEAT THE CLRNC AGAIN, NO RESPONSE. WE ASKED 'PLEASE CONFIRM' WITH OUR CALL SIGN AND THE CLRNC WE BELIEVED TO HAVE RECEIVED. THE CTLR RESPONDED WITH 'YES,' VERY LOUDLY AND NOTHING ELSE. A FEW SECONDS LATER, HE TOLD US TO CONTACT TWR AND WE COMPLETED THE FLT UNEVENTFULLY. THE ARPT WAS VERY BUSY, BUT WITHOUT CTLR RESPONSIBILITY TO CORRECT READBACKS I BELIEVE THIS IS AN UNPROFESSIONAL ATTITUDE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR HAS NOT RETURNED TO PHL SINCE HIS INCIDENCE. IN DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER PLTS WHO TRANSIENT PHL, THE RPTR ALLEGES THAT THEY ALSO HAVE HAD SIMILAR OCCURRENCES. THE RPTR ADVISED THAT HE BELIEVES THAT SINCE 'CTLRS DON'T HAVE TO CORRECT READBACKS ANYMORE', HE MUST MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT CLRNCS ARE CORRECTLY UNDERSTOOD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.