The reporter and his PIC friend, taxiing for takeoff at mkl, taxied past the hold short line.

Attributes
ACN	549306
Time
Date	200206
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : mkl.airport
State Reference	TN
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Aero Commander 112
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground : holding ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Function	observation : observer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 2100 flight time type : 100
ASRS Report	549306
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Airport Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

My friend (a pilot) was flying his airplane and I was filing the IFR flight plan for the trip. During the taxi portion, I was receiving the clearance while he taxied. The hold short line for runway 20 is way back on the taxiway. Neither my friend nor I thought that the hold short line was the one for runway 20 until we got right on it (when we could see the taxiway to runway 20 clearly). The taxiing pilot stopped at that point (about 4 ft past the line) and I called for clearance to take off. The tower controller was nasty and remarked that we didn't know how to fly, and 'had passed the hold short line.' we again asked for clearance to take off and were told that we would have to turn around on the taxiway and get behind the line before he would let us take off. We turned around and got behind the line and he cleared us to take off without any heading or further instructions. I called and asked for further departure instructions and he snapped back to call departure. I said 'I don't want to make any more mistakes.' he just laughed.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: THE RPTR AND HIS PIC FRIEND, TAXIING FOR TKOF AT MKL, TAXIED PAST THE HOLD SHORT LINE.

Narrative: MY FRIEND (A PLT) WAS FLYING HIS AIRPLANE AND I WAS FILING THE IFR FLT PLAN FOR THE TRIP. DURING THE TAXI PORTION, I WAS RECEIVING THE CLRNC WHILE HE TAXIED. THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 20 IS WAY BACK ON THE TXWY. NEITHER MY FRIEND NOR I THOUGHT THAT THE HOLD SHORT LINE WAS THE ONE FOR RWY 20 UNTIL WE GOT RIGHT ON IT (WHEN WE COULD SEE THE TXWY TO RWY 20 CLRLY). THE TAXIING PLT STOPPED AT THAT POINT (ABOUT 4 FT PAST THE LINE) AND I CALLED FOR CLRNC TO TAKE OFF. THE TWR CTLR WAS NASTY AND REMARKED THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO FLY, AND 'HAD PASSED THE HOLD SHORT LINE.' WE AGAIN ASKED FOR CLRNC TO TAKE OFF AND WERE TOLD THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TURN AROUND ON THE TXWY AND GET BEHIND THE LINE BEFORE HE WOULD LET US TAKE OFF. WE TURNED AROUND AND GOT BEHIND THE LINE AND HE CLRED US TO TAKE OFF WITHOUT ANY HDG OR FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS. I CALLED AND ASKED FOR FURTHER DEP INSTRUCTIONS AND HE SNAPPED BACK TO CALL DEP. I SAID 'I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY MORE MISTAKES.' HE JUST LAUGHED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.