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Attributes | |
ACN | 549837 |
Time | |
Date | 200206 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mynn.airport |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 13000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Thunderstorm |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mynn.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors enroute : atlantic |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mynn.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Experimental |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 549837 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Environmental Factor Weather |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error other |
Narrative:
ZMA handed us off to nassau approach control approximately 50 mi north of zqa VOR. Approach control was busy and did not acknowledge our check-in until our third or fourth call. After check-in, we continued our course direct to the zqa VOR at 13000 ft and normal speed. Approximately 10 DME north of the zqa VOR, approach told us to fly a heading of 140 degrees for a visual approach to runway 23. We advised them that we would be unable heading 140 degrees due to a small thunderstorm just east of the airport, but we could fly a 170 degree heading. This was approved and we flew directly over the mynn airport. Shortly afterwards we were given a descent to 7000 ft and told to slow. We maintained our 170 degree heading. Approximately 10-12 mi due south of mynn we were told to descend to 3000 ft. Approach control was obviously very busy. At this point, an aircraft (unknown) announced that he needed a turn back to the airport or he would run out of fuel. Approximately 15 mi south of mynn, we were given a left turn to 350 degrees and told to descend to 1500 ft MSL. This then put us on an intercept for the VOR/DME 32 final approach course. Approximately 10 mi sse of mynn, we were told to slow to 150 KTS and we advised that we would be following a piper aztec (not in sight). At this point we had the field visually and maintained our 350 degree heading at 1500 ft MSL and 150 KTS. We were never cleared for the VOR/DME 32 approach or a visual approach. I attempted to contact approach control as we passed through the VOR/DME 32 final approach course and also the extended centerline of the runway, but could never get a word in edgewise. At this point, an aircraft (unknown) was told to turn left heading 140N degrees. Several seconds later, an aircraft (unknown) said 'if I do that, I'll hit him.' at that point we were approximately 5 mi sse of mynn when we got a TCASII TA. I looked at the scope and got the relative bearing of the target and immediately acquired him visually. We then got a TCASII RA. The time from TCASII TA to visual acquisition to TCASII RA was approximately 2-3 seconds. The aircraft was a small low wing 'experimental jet' with orange/red on the wingtips and maybe also on the fuselage. He passed approximately 500 ft off the left wingtip in a left climbing turn with a 135 degree crossing angle. I did not react to the TCASII RA because we acquired him visually almost immediately and basically didn't have time to react anyway. We finally were able to communicate to approach that we had the field visually and they then cleared us for a visual approach. We made a left turn to the west and intercepted the runway 32 extended centerline and landed. In my opinion, NAS approach control was totally overloaded. The controller appeared to be on the 'verge' of losing control (situational awareness) from the time we checked in until this incident. Contributing factors were a very localized thunderstorm east of the airport, a low fuel state aircraft, and the 'random wanderings of this experimental jet.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC AT 1500 FT BTWN AN ARR B757 AND AN EXPERIMENTAL JET 5 MI E OF MYNN, FO.
Narrative: ZMA HANDED US OFF TO NASSAU APCH CTL APPROX 50 MI N OF ZQA VOR. APCH CTL WAS BUSY AND DID NOT ACKNOWLEDGE OUR CHK-IN UNTIL OUR THIRD OR FOURTH CALL. AFTER CHK-IN, WE CONTINUED OUR COURSE DIRECT TO THE ZQA VOR AT 13000 FT AND NORMAL SPD. APPROX 10 DME N OF THE ZQA VOR, APCH TOLD US TO FLY A HDG OF 140 DEGS FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 23. WE ADVISED THEM THAT WE WOULD BE UNABLE HDG 140 DEGS DUE TO A SMALL TSTM JUST E OF THE ARPT, BUT WE COULD FLY A 170 DEG HDG. THIS WAS APPROVED AND WE FLEW DIRECTLY OVER THE MYNN ARPT. SHORTLY AFTERWARDS WE WERE GIVEN A DSCNT TO 7000 FT AND TOLD TO SLOW. WE MAINTAINED OUR 170 DEG HDG. APPROX 10-12 MI DUE S OF MYNN WE WERE TOLD TO DSND TO 3000 FT. APCH CTL WAS OBVIOUSLY VERY BUSY. AT THIS POINT, AN ACFT (UNKNOWN) ANNOUNCED THAT HE NEEDED A TURN BACK TO THE ARPT OR HE WOULD RUN OUT OF FUEL. APPROX 15 MI S OF MYNN, WE WERE GIVEN A L TURN TO 350 DEGS AND TOLD TO DSND TO 1500 FT MSL. THIS THEN PUT US ON AN INTERCEPT FOR THE VOR/DME 32 FINAL APCH COURSE. APPROX 10 MI SSE OF MYNN, WE WERE TOLD TO SLOW TO 150 KTS AND WE ADVISED THAT WE WOULD BE FOLLOWING A PIPER AZTEC (NOT IN SIGHT). AT THIS POINT WE HAD THE FIELD VISUALLY AND MAINTAINED OUR 350 DEG HDG AT 1500 FT MSL AND 150 KTS. WE WERE NEVER CLRED FOR THE VOR/DME 32 APCH OR A VISUAL APCH. I ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT APCH CTL AS WE PASSED THROUGH THE VOR/DME 32 FINAL APCH COURSE AND ALSO THE EXTENDED CTRLINE OF THE RWY, BUT COULD NEVER GET A WORD IN EDGEWISE. AT THIS POINT, AN ACFT (UNKNOWN) WAS TOLD TO TURN L HDG 140N DEGS. SEVERAL SECONDS LATER, AN ACFT (UNKNOWN) SAID 'IF I DO THAT, I'LL HIT HIM.' AT THAT POINT WE WERE APPROX 5 MI SSE OF MYNN WHEN WE GOT A TCASII TA. I LOOKED AT THE SCOPE AND GOT THE RELATIVE BEARING OF THE TARGET AND IMMEDIATELY ACQUIRED HIM VISUALLY. WE THEN GOT A TCASII RA. THE TIME FROM TCASII TA TO VISUAL ACQUISITION TO TCASII RA WAS APPROX 2-3 SECONDS. THE ACFT WAS A SMALL LOW WING 'EXPERIMENTAL JET' WITH ORANGE/RED ON THE WINGTIPS AND MAYBE ALSO ON THE FUSELAGE. HE PASSED APPROX 500 FT OFF THE L WINGTIP IN A L CLBING TURN WITH A 135 DEG XING ANGLE. I DID NOT REACT TO THE TCASII RA BECAUSE WE ACQUIRED HIM VISUALLY ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AND BASICALLY DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO REACT ANYWAY. WE FINALLY WERE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE TO APCH THAT WE HAD THE FIELD VISUALLY AND THEY THEN CLRED US FOR A VISUAL APCH. WE MADE A L TURN TO THE W AND INTERCEPTED THE RWY 32 EXTENDED CTRLINE AND LANDED. IN MY OPINION, NAS APCH CTL WAS TOTALLY OVERLOADED. THE CTLR APPEARED TO BE ON THE 'VERGE' OF LOSING CTL (SITUATIONAL AWARENESS) FROM THE TIME WE CHKED IN UNTIL THIS INCIDENT. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS WERE A VERY LOCALIZED TSTM E OF THE ARPT, A LOW FUEL STATE ACFT, AND THE 'RANDOM WANDERINGS OF THIS EXPERIMENTAL JET.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.