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Attributes | |
ACN | 550115 |
Time | |
Date | 200206 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : nse.tacan |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl single value : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : p31.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna 310/T310C |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : p31.tracon |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Mentor (T-34) |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller radar : 8 |
ASRS Report | 550115 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne critical non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : zjx.artcc |
Narrative:
C401 level at 8000 ft. I had observed no traffic in his vicinity. He asked if I saw traffic on top of him and I said no. A few seconds later, I observed a target on an aerobatic code at 8400 ft. I told C401 to maneuver as necessary and he made several hard turns and descended to 6000 ft. The aerobatic seemed to descend/follow him. The aerobatic's transponder was intermittent. The event took place just north of V241. There are not supposed to be aerobatic T34's working in that area. Even when they are working in the correct areas, the aerobatic T34's frequency causes VFR and IFR aircraft to have to deviate. It is often difficult or impossible to vector away from the aerobatic J34's because we don't know which way they are going, or whether they are going to climb or descend. They should move their aerobatics to an MOA or somewhere without other IFR/VFR traffic.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C401 INITIATES EVASIVE MANEUVERS FROM A T34 NE OF NSE ARPT UNDER P31'S CTL.
Narrative: C401 LEVEL AT 8000 FT. I HAD OBSERVED NO TFC IN HIS VICINITY. HE ASKED IF I SAW TFC ON TOP OF HIM AND I SAID NO. A FEW SECONDS LATER, I OBSERVED A TARGET ON AN AEROBATIC CODE AT 8400 FT. I TOLD C401 TO MANEUVER AS NECESSARY AND HE MADE SEVERAL HARD TURNS AND DSNDED TO 6000 FT. THE AEROBATIC SEEMED TO DSND/FOLLOW HIM. THE AEROBATIC'S XPONDER WAS INTERMITTENT. THE EVENT TOOK PLACE JUST N OF V241. THERE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AEROBATIC T34'S WORKING IN THAT AREA. EVEN WHEN THEY ARE WORKING IN THE CORRECT AREAS, THE AEROBATIC T34'S FREQ CAUSES VFR AND IFR ACFT TO HAVE TO DEVIATE. IT IS OFTEN DIFFICULT OR IMPOSSIBLE TO VECTOR AWAY FROM THE AEROBATIC J34'S BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY THEY ARE GOING, OR WHETHER THEY ARE GOING TO CLB OR DSND. THEY SHOULD MOVE THEIR AEROBATICS TO AN MOA OR SOMEWHERE WITHOUT OTHER IFR/VFR TFC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.