<< >> NASA ASRS Report 551717, June 2002

S80 crew on departure roll runway 1L at sfo see a heavy jet on short final for runway 28L starting a go around because of spacing.

Attributes
ACN	551717
Time
Date	200206
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : sfo.airport
State Reference	CA
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Dawn
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : sfo.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-80 Super 80
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	climbout : takeoff ground : takeoff roll
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tower : sfo.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Heavy Transport
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	descent : approach landing : go around
Route In Use	approach : instrument precision
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	551717
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground less severe other anomaly other
Independent Detector	atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb other other : 3
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance flight crew : executed missed approach
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance

Narrative:

Sfo was using runways 1L&right for takeoffs, and landing on runways 28L&right. Instrument approachs with scattered to broken clouds down to 200-400 ft. Tower cleared us to take off on runway 1L and as we were approaching the intersection of runway 1L and runway 28L, we noticed a heavy jet on short final to runway 28L which was told to go around by tower. It seemed to us that the timing was a little too close and that tower was not sure that we would be past the intersection before the heavy landed. We were not aware that the heavy on final to runway 28L was going to be a factor as we did not have a visual on him until he broke out on final. We did not delay takeoff roll after receiving clearance, but we could have gotten off a bit sooner had we known how tight the spacing was. Perhaps a 'be prepared for an immediate' call from tower would have helped when we were cleared to position and hold.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: S80 CREW ON DEP ROLL RWY 1L AT SFO SEE A HVY JET ON SHORT FINAL FOR RWY 28L STARTING A GAR BECAUSE OF SPACING.

Narrative: SFO WAS USING RWYS 1L&R FOR TKOFS, AND LNDG ON RWYS 28L&R. INST APCHS WITH SCATTERED TO BROKEN CLOUDS DOWN TO 200-400 FT. TWR CLRED US TO TAKE OFF ON RWY 1L AND AS WE WERE APCHING THE INTXN OF RWY 1L AND RWY 28L, WE NOTICED A HVY JET ON SHORT FINAL TO RWY 28L WHICH WAS TOLD TO GO AROUND BY TWR. IT SEEMED TO US THAT THE TIMING WAS A LITTLE TOO CLOSE AND THAT TWR WAS NOT SURE THAT WE WOULD BE PAST THE INTXN BEFORE THE HVY LANDED. WE WERE NOT AWARE THAT THE HVY ON FINAL TO RWY 28L WAS GOING TO BE A FACTOR AS WE DID NOT HAVE A VISUAL ON HIM UNTIL HE BROKE OUT ON FINAL. WE DID NOT DELAY TKOF ROLL AFTER RECEIVING CLRNC, BUT WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN OFF A BIT SOONER HAD WE KNOWN HOW TIGHT THE SPACING WAS. PERHAPS A 'BE PREPARED FOR AN IMMEDIATE' CALL FROM TWR WOULD HAVE HELPED WHEN WE WERE CLRED TO POS AND HOLD.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.