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Attributes | |
ACN | 556146 |
Time | |
Date | 200208 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : tys.airport |
State Reference | TN |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : eham.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : holding |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 5145 flight time type : 2800 |
ASRS Report | 556146 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor Chart Or Publication Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
Narrative:
Day VMC prevailed as our flight prepared to depart tys for cvg. Our clearance was to fly heading 020 degrees after takeoff, climb and maintain 6000 ft, expect FL220 10 mins after departure. We were not cleared via the knoxville 4 SID. The back side of our commercial airport diagram says under the heading 'obstacle departure procedure' to 'comply with SID or radar vectors, or climb runway heading to 4000 ft before turning on course.' I asked the tower prior to reaching the runway whether the instruction to fly heading 020 degrees after takeoff constituted a radar vector because we were not issued a SID and it did not seem that ATC wanted us to remain on runway heading up to 4000 ft. Tower assured me the 020 degree instruction was indeed a radar vector. Next, I asked if we should therefore commence the turn to 020 degrees upon reaching 400 ft AGL. The tower controller was very vague in his response to our question about at what altitude should the turn be started. So, to ensure that everyone was on the same page, it was agreed that we would maintain the runway heading to 4000 ft before turning on course.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CL65 CAPT QUESTIONED TWR CTLR RELATIVE TO THE TYS DEP OBSTACLE CLRNC NOTE VERSUS HIS ACTUAL DEP CLRNC INSTRUCTING A TURN AFTER TKOF WITH NO MINIMUM TURNING ALT.
Narrative: DAY VMC PREVAILED AS OUR FLT PREPARED TO DEPART TYS FOR CVG. OUR CLRNC WAS TO FLY HDG 020 DEGS AFTER TKOF, CLB AND MAINTAIN 6000 FT, EXPECT FL220 10 MINS AFTER DEP. WE WERE NOT CLRED VIA THE KNOXVILLE 4 SID. THE BACK SIDE OF OUR COMMERCIAL ARPT DIAGRAM SAYS UNDER THE HDG 'OBSTACLE DEP PROC' TO 'COMPLY WITH SID OR RADAR VECTORS, OR CLB RWY HDG TO 4000 FT BEFORE TURNING ON COURSE.' I ASKED THE TWR PRIOR TO REACHING THE RWY WHETHER THE INSTRUCTION TO FLY HDG 020 DEGS AFTER TKOF CONSTITUTED A RADAR VECTOR BECAUSE WE WERE NOT ISSUED A SID AND IT DID NOT SEEM THAT ATC WANTED US TO REMAIN ON RWY HDG UP TO 4000 FT. TWR ASSURED ME THE 020 DEG INSTRUCTION WAS INDEED A RADAR VECTOR. NEXT, I ASKED IF WE SHOULD THEREFORE COMMENCE THE TURN TO 020 DEGS UPON REACHING 400 FT AGL. THE TWR CTLR WAS VERY VAGUE IN HIS RESPONSE TO OUR QUESTION ABOUT AT WHAT ALT SHOULD THE TURN BE STARTED. SO, TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE WAS ON THE SAME PAGE, IT WAS AGREED THAT WE WOULD MAINTAIN THE RWY HDG TO 4000 FT BEFORE TURNING ON COURSE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.