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Attributes | |
ACN | 557170 |
Time | |
Date | 200208 |
Day | Sun |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sln.airport |
State Reference | KS |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Weather Elements | Thunderstorm |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc.artcc tower : sna.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream II |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 18450 flight time type : 1350 |
ASRS Report | 557170 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted other |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Narrative:
We were flying a gii-sp from phl to las. We had started out at FL390, then as we burned off fuel we requested wrong way FL410. As we burned off more fuel we could have climbed to FL430 but did not at that time then when we were north of salina, ks, we observed a line of thunderstorms visually and on our radar. Since the moon was very bright we were able to visually observe the clouds. My copilot was watching the radar and I was watching outside. When it became apparent we were not going to top the thunderstorm ahead of us we requested FL450, the certified ceiling of the airplane, as we got closer to the storm it appeared we would be able to top everything if we took a slight deviation to the right off course. We requested a right deviation and were granted same by center, and were given direct bce when able. As we began flying through what appeared to be a 'soft area' on the radar and a low part visually, we suddenly were into the clouds. There was turbulence and lightning and I asked my copilot to request FL470, and were given the block of FL450 to FL480. We climbed to FL476 and asked center how the other aircraft had been getting through this area. We were told that a heading of 360 degrees should get us out of it in short order. We turned to the heading and were out of the WX within a couple of mins. We then descended to FL430 and resumed the flight. When we told the passenger what had happened they did not seem alarmed and one had not even awakened during the time we were in the clouds while another said 'it was no big deal.' I believe the visual cues that were given under the light of the moon gave us a false sense of security. In the future I will make sure to ask for center's advice when the first sign of a line of thunderstorms shows up on the radar screen. I will evaluate the information they give along with what is observed on the radar and will make sure to avoid it by at least the rule of thumb of 10% horizontal distance for the cruise flight level. This event was reported to our maintenance people and to our company.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GULFSTREAM II CAPT RPTS EXCEEDING ACFT MAX SVC CEILING DUE TO WX AVOIDANCE.
Narrative: WE WERE FLYING A GII-SP FROM PHL TO LAS. WE HAD STARTED OUT AT FL390, THEN AS WE BURNED OFF FUEL WE REQUESTED WRONG WAY FL410. AS WE BURNED OFF MORE FUEL WE COULD HAVE CLBED TO FL430 BUT DID NOT AT THAT TIME THEN WHEN WE WERE N OF SALINA, KS, WE OBSERVED A LINE OF TSTMS VISUALLY AND ON OUR RADAR. SINCE THE MOON WAS VERY BRIGHT WE WERE ABLE TO VISUALLY OBSERVE THE CLOUDS. MY COPLT WAS WATCHING THE RADAR AND I WAS WATCHING OUTSIDE. WHEN IT BECAME APPARENT WE WERE NOT GOING TO TOP THE TSTM AHEAD OF US WE REQUESTED FL450, THE CERTIFIED CEILING OF THE AIRPLANE, AS WE GOT CLOSER TO THE STORM IT APPEARED WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TOP EVERYTHING IF WE TOOK A SLIGHT DEV TO THE R OFF COURSE. WE REQUESTED A R DEV AND WERE GRANTED SAME BY CTR, AND WERE GIVEN DIRECT BCE WHEN ABLE. AS WE BEGAN FLYING THROUGH WHAT APPEARED TO BE A 'SOFT AREA' ON THE RADAR AND A LOW PART VISUALLY, WE SUDDENLY WERE INTO THE CLOUDS. THERE WAS TURB AND LIGHTNING AND I ASKED MY COPLT TO REQUEST FL470, AND WERE GIVEN THE BLOCK OF FL450 TO FL480. WE CLBED TO FL476 AND ASKED CTR HOW THE OTHER ACFT HAD BEEN GETTING THROUGH THIS AREA. WE WERE TOLD THAT A HEADING OF 360 DEGS SHOULD GET US OUT OF IT IN SHORT ORDER. WE TURNED TO THE HEADING AND WERE OUT OF THE WX WITHIN A COUPLE OF MINS. WE THEN DSNDED TO FL430 AND RESUMED THE FLT. WHEN WE TOLD THE PAX WHAT HAD HAPPENED THEY DID NOT SEEM ALARMED AND ONE HAD NOT EVEN AWAKENED DURING THE TIME WE WERE IN THE CLOUDS WHILE ANOTHER SAID 'IT WAS NO BIG DEAL.' I BELIEVE THE VISUAL CUES THAT WERE GIVEN UNDER THE LIGHT OF THE MOON GAVE US A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY. IN THE FUTURE I WILL MAKE SURE TO ASK FOR CTR'S ADVICE WHEN THE FIRST SIGN OF A LINE OF TSTMS SHOWS UP ON THE RADAR SCREEN. I WILL EVALUATE THE INFO THEY GIVE ALONG WITH WHAT IS OBSERVED ON THE RADAR AND WILL MAKE SURE TO AVOID IT BY AT LEAST THE RULE OF THUMB OF 10% HORIZ DISTANCE FOR THE CRUISE FLT LEVEL. THIS EVENT WAS RPTED TO OUR MAINT PEOPLE AND TO OUR COMPANY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.